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Djamila

Bosnjakinja
It's always difficult to truly wrap your mind around the fact that things that can be as fundamental to who you are, as fundamental as breathing, as fundamental as blinking - others simply don't believe, don't do.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Djamila said:
It's always difficult to truly wrap your mind around the fact that things that can be as fundamental to who you are, as fundamental as breathing, as fundamental as blinking - others simply don't believe, don't do.

Which do you have a harder time understanding, Djamila: The agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable, but important, or the agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable and of little or no importance?
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
lamplighter said:
Why is being Agnostic so hard for followers of organized religion to understand?

I've never been able to figure this out. I was an atheist for years, and I was always surprised by the sheer dumbfoundedness I got from some people.

btw, please add a "some" in there if you will. Some of us followers of organized religions have no trouble with it an all. ;)

I'm still agnostic, not in the sense of "undecided" but in the sense of "the existence of god(s) cannot be proved."
 

lamplighter

Almighty Tallest
Done

Though I fail to understand Djamila's delima, what about "wanting to have more than blind faith" is hard to understand?
 

gnostic

The Lost One
booko said:
I'm still agnostic, not in the sense of "undecided" but in the sense of "the existence of god(s) cannot be proved."
The same here. What I can't decide is the "importance" of the existence of gods? That's what I am undecided on. So I am stuck in the middle of Sunstone about the importance, where he said:

Sunstone said:
The agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable, but important, or the agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable and of little or no importance?
That's simply great. I am perched on another fence, :( and my backside was already hurting before this. Banging my head against the wall :banghead3 doesn't help my posterior. It only just gives me a splitting headache.:thud:
 

lamplighter

Almighty Tallest
I think proving the existance of a higher power would be remarkable, but insignificant if we couldn't figure out what in the world it wanted of us through direct communication. Though that seems oxymoronic, I could imagine people messing things up.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
lamplighter said:
I think proving the existance of a higher power would be remarkable
It would be very remarkable indeed. However, I am not going to hold my breath for it.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
lamplighter said:
Why is being Agnostic so hard for some followers of organized religion to understand?

I am glad you qualified that with the word "Some"; I understand an agnostic's stance very well...........
 

lamplighter

Almighty Tallest
Well I'm certainly grateful for those who do understand agnosticsm, and I certainly understand people following a religion(s). But it seems as though some cannot imagine questioning the validty of human writen texts. After all, to err is to be human.
 

lamplighter

Almighty Tallest
Well I'm an Agnostic Theist but I still believe to know a higher power, what it may want, what it's like, is yet to be established or if even a higher power does actually exist has not been proven without doubt. But the theist part comes from my own temporary death and observation. Now to believe in a higher power is a differnt beast altogether, you can believe there's fish in pond but until you see or catch one you don't know.
 

yoda55

Wanderer
lamplighter, how about answering Jayhawker Soule's question... What's your definition of 'agnosticism' (or 'agnostic')?

How about Merriam-Webster: "1. a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god; 2. alternatively: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something."
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
lamplighter, how about answering Jayhawker Soule's question... What's your definition of 'agnosticism' (or 'agnostic')?

How about Merriam-Webster: "1. a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god; 2. alternatively: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something."
Ah, if you check the date of lamplighter's post you'll see it was made over five years ago, and checking his posting history the last time he communicated on RF here was February 8, 2011. Pretty good bet he's not around to answer.

By the way, welcome to the forum.
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yoda55

Wanderer
Skwim,

It had occurred to me that the post was a bit aged, but thanks for the skinny on his patterns.
And, thanks for the welcome.

Since I'm new, is there a current active discussion which you're finding 'entertaining'?
 

lamplighter

Almighty Tallest
lamplighter, how about answering Jayhawker Soule's question... What's your definition of 'agnosticism' (or 'agnostic')?

How about Merriam-Webster: "1. a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god; 2. alternatively: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something."

To pull a double necro even though you're apparently gone, the first one in Webster's is pretty sufficient. For future reference to anyone who wants to revisit this.
 

MacNova

New Member
Which do you have a harder time understanding, Djamila: The agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable, but important, or the agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable and of little or no importance?

Whats that logical fallacy called where you narrow things down to just 2 choices? .... ahhh I'm the agnostic who does not think he knows the answer and pretends he does ;)
 
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