camanintx
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Is there a point there? This is God giving Adam over all plants and animals. Doesn't explain why seeds appear after animals.Genesis 29:30
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waitasec
Veteran Member
i did...funny how you don't apply the same reasoning with faith...you need to see when it comes to other things...
wonder why that is.
waitasec
Veteran Member
how can one contradict the bible if that person uses the bible to prove it self?
it seems as though, this system of belief is based on fear that the bible will be found to be flawed when applying the same logic you used..."let me see" which means you need another form of proof other than just relying on what i said. how convenient for you.
but whatever makes you feel better...
Do not accuse me of your biggest flaw. 1 Cor 15 has nothing to do with what is required to enter the Kingdom.
Posting of scripture that does not relate to the topic does not a coherent argument make.
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jasonwill2
Well-Known Member
I vote for Satanism as being the most likely candidate for the right religion, it's one of the more useful ones at least.
waitasec
Veteran Member
curious, does satanism claim to be the right religion for all?
i'm guessing no...i just wanted to ask
jasonwill2
Well-Known Member
depends what form of satanism you ask. satanism is pretty mailable though.
I'm just saying that Satanism is a religion of human nature and human needs. so while its not the "correct" one, its a very useful one.
Actually in all seriousness though, I always say "no religion is correct, the goal is to have the least incorrect religion."
there are too many unknowns, but some forms of Satanism comes very close to a religion that everyone could accept, however I don't think that for most people they would want to call it satanism after a while, although i probably would for quiet some time even after all the christians are gone in such a situation.
I'm sorry if I'm not making any sense, I'm kind of sleep deprived
Luminous
non-existential luminary
Multiple religions can be true. Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism could be true at the same time depending on the sects. Islam and Baha'ulla could be true, depending on the sects. etc.there r many religion in the world, but surly there r only one right religion, but how could we reach the right believe, the right path?
1robin
Christian/Baptist
Two systems making contradictory claims to absolute truth can't possibly both be correct. Either one, the other, or neither is correct. If Jesus' says he is the way the truth and the life and no one will see the father except through him and all other religions propose different versions of the same old man made standard of working your way to heaven idea, then both Christianity and all the rest can't be correct. If Christianity is true they are false and vice versa. I do not think a benevolent God God would hide his word in all kinds of books making contradictory claims.
waitasec
Veteran Member
yep...
heaven is a state of mind, and has a subjective meaning...
question is, how does "see the father" = heaven?
Really? Kind of convenient for the Church to make man rely on it's doctrine, canon and Bible. Kind of evil actually. It puts up a barrier between man and God making the Church a necessary gateway. Pretty insidious.
Not all Christians believe as you, not that makes anyone else better, but this is wrong. I'm sorry you don't see that. If God is not real to you then you have nothing except faith. You don't even know if there is any reality to what you believe in.
Sorry I didn't expect that answer though maybe I should have see it coming. Nothing gets fixed here. I mean we have hope and we have love and we can better ourselves I suppose. But Christianity, Christianity teaches there is no real God, just an imaginary made up God, and you have to have faith in other men and tells you all the while that this is not what you are doing, but it is exactly what is happening.
You can't trust what you don't know and Christianity seems set on keeping people away from God.
illykitty
RF's pet cat
Truth is subjective, you find the religion that betters yourself and makes you think of God, if that's what you want. If atheism betters you, then that's the right choice. If Christianity is the religion that makes you feel connected, that's the good choice. If Sikhism is what fits and makes you think of God then that's valid as well.
There's no one path, multiple ones, which lead to the same thing anyway. Just need to find the one that is good for oneself's.
There's no one path, multiple ones, which lead to the same thing anyway. Just need to find the one that is good for oneself's.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I thought you ran away from home. I was getting withdawl. First since you made the claim that heaven is a state on mind. Then you must prove it before I address the other part. Heaven being a state of mind alone is for one thing silly and another impossible for you to know so good luck. By the way the bible says heaven is a physical place, Earth and Jerusalem will be the capital. So the most trusted source on heaven disagrees with your position.
waitasec
Veteran Member
the law of forward momentum...for every action there is a reaction...counters the idea of heaven as heaven is a place of stagnation....
Jesus saw heaven as valuable. Heaven seems to be the "spiritual" realm. The invisible essence of reality. Jesus said heaven was near and at hand. I think many thought that near in time. Something that would at a future date. I suspect he meant physically close. (Ok, not physically, but hear and now and real.)
Heaven to Jesus I think was a non-physical reality. Something he had access to. Something more valuable then any material possession.
A state of mind, happiness is a state of mind. It's kind of cliche to say heaven is a state of mind. It sounds good. So we are not dependent on the world for our happiness.
I mean I can't say that I know but in reading the gospels it seems to me Jesus meant an actual place that could be experienced. Not just a feeling.
Jesus also said some would be caught as fish in nets and "lifted" into heaven while others would not. I don't like it but even Gnostics see it this way. I know universalism sees it otherwise, but not if we are going by the gospels.
This seems an obvious understanding of what Jesus taught. Like it or not. Either Jesus knew something about what he spoke or he didn't.
I suppose the "good" thing is nobody has to worry about it. One gets caught up in the net or not. It's not something you choose or reject. If it happens, it happens regardless of anything we do. Atheist, Christian, Satanist whoever. Christians think their belief will make it happen, it won't. Good person, bad person, scholar or idiot.
I think that's how Jesus saw it. But who knows, maybe he was wrong.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I have studied physics, including calculus based physics, statics, and dynamics in engineering school and have a math degree.
1. There is no such thing as the law of forward momentum. You are thinking of the law of conservation of momentum. This concept has no applicability to biblical heaven and no implications consistent with your claim even if it did.
2. This is a natural law and does not apply outside of known natural environments. In fact it is only assumed to be true because scientist have FAITH in a universal rationally intelligable universe.
3. It would not apply to any new heavens and Earth that the bible says shall be established in the end which (if the bible is true) will have altered physical laws.
4. We know that if the bible is correct then not even the second law of thermodynamics (the most immutable law in the known universe) will apply.
5. There is nothing in scripture that suggests that heaven is stagnant.
These concepts are so related. You might as well have said there is no hell or heaven because surface tension or the price or sturgeon.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
Absolute truth by definition is objective fact and not subjective in any way. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one proceeds to the father but by him. That statement is either objective fact or objectively false. Mine or your opinion may be subjective but whether his statement is true or not isn't.
Pluralism is philisophically self destructive and incoherent.
waitasec
Veteran Member
it is characteristic of our natural world. and since we live in the natural world that is all that concerns me. if one lives for the afterlife, then one is already dead and since it is impossible to be dead while alive, one then becomes a stick in the wheel of progress (forward momentum). faith is a stick in the wheel of progress. the idea of heaven encourages taking the now for granted...which hinders the momentum as the now is all we have that will take us to the next now...
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i am referring to the level of knowledge as it increases in time.
therefore, this is the criteria that i use to determine that the idea of heaven counters newtons 2nd law of motion.
so our opposing opinions reflect newtons 3rd law of motion in dealing with the differences in acceleration as they collide...one is accelerated with the logic of the natural world the other is being accelerated with the wishful thinking of a world that cannot be verified. you tell me, which of these ways of thinking has more magnitude in the real world?
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Muffled
Jesus in me
That isn't what God says. He defines marriage as a sexual union between a man and a woman. Perhaps what you are referring to is the institution of marriage as a social phenomena.
It is difficult to ascertain whether this is for or against marriage or sex outside of marriage. It seems to me that men use common sense. They get the girl pregnant and then bug out to avoid the responsibility of having to raise the child.
So in this case might makes right. The baby is weak and has no defense so it can be killed. Why doesn't this work with young children as well?
Muffled
Jesus in me
There is only one truth but everyone finds Him differently. Many don't find Him and many reject Him because they prefer the lies.