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Are you saved?

kjw47

kjw47

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Does one really believe that they are in a saved position because a mortal tells you so? Isnt God the one who writes the names in the book of life? Is mortal man elevating themselves into Gods position by telling another that they are saved?
 
javajo

javajo

Well-Known Member
Jesus loves me, this I know, for the BIBLE tells me so, (not man) is what I believe. No mere man can know if another is saved, but we can know because the Bible tells us it was written that we may believe in Jesus and that we may know we have eternal life. After Phillip explained the Gospel to the Eunuch and the Eunuch asked if he could be Baptized, Phillip told him if he believed in Jesus with all his heart he may, so he said he did and he was baptized. So Phillip took his word for it, and that's all anyone can do. I think since the Eunuch went his way rejoicing that he probably was. We cannot know what is in a man's heart, but can only go by his profession and any evidence of works following. But God only knows...At least we can know about ourself and we are encouraged to have full confidence and assurance of our salvation as it is not from us, but is from God to the glory of Christ. When we doubt, we are doubting that Christ's finished work on the cross to pay the penalty (death) of sin was sufficient, kind of a slap in the face to Christ, and perhaps a prideful stab at taking some of the credit/glory for our free salvation that Christ paid for with his own blood.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5
 
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kjw47

kjw47

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javajo said:
Jesus loves me, this I know, for the BIBLE tells me so, (not man) is what I believe. No mere man can know if another is saved, but we can know because the Bible tells us it was written that we may believe in Jesus and that we may know we have eternal life. After Phillip explained the Gospel to the Eunuch and the Eunuch asked if he could be Baptized, Phillip told him if he believed in Jesus with all his heart he may, so he said he did and he was baptized. So Phillip took his word for it, and that's all anyone can do. I think since the Eunuch went his way rejoicing that he probably was. We cannot know what is in a man's heart, but can only go by his profession and any evidence of works following. But God only knows...At least we can know about ourself and we are encouraged to have full confidence and assurance of our salvation as it is not from us, but is from God to the glory of Christ. When we doubt, we are doubting that Christ's finished work on the cross to pay the penalty (death) of sin was sufficient, kind of a slap in the face to Christ, and perhaps a prideful stab at taking some of the credit/glory for our free salvation that Christ paid for with his own blood.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5
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These are those who think they are christian--Matt 7: 21-23-- its obvious they believe on the name of Jesus enough to do powerful works in his name--they will also be calling on his name-- i would say they had a powerful love for Jesus as well, their jaws will be dropped because a mortal told them they were saved, but that mortal didnt have a clue.
The bottom line of actually being saved is this-- Those who endure till the end will be saved.
No mortal has ever seen a name written in the book of life, no mortal can read anothers true heart, no mortal can possibly know who will endure till the end.
I would say the moral of this truth is that if ones religious teacher is telling someone that they are saved( or born again) that that teacher resides in the darkness and Jesus is not with him.
As far as having ones sin forgiven one must confess to God and also repent--repentence gets sin blotted out-acts 3:19-- Jesus death just opened the door for all to repent to get forgivness. Jesus death bought back what Adam lost for mankind. That is why at Matt 7:21-23-- a worker of iniquity( lawlessness) = a practicer of sin--showing that if one practices sin they will not be forgiven,so Jesus death does not automatically cover it.
 
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Astravalon

Astravalon

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kjw47 said:
The bottom line of actually being saved is this-- Those who endure till the end will be saved.
No mortal has ever seen a name written in the book of life, no mortal can read anothers true heart, no mortal can possibly know who will endure till the end.
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Endure what, and to the end of what?
(The reason I ask is that, depending on which Christian one talks to, the answer may vary).


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Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
kjw47 said:
These are those who think they are christian--Matt 7: 21-23-- its obvious they believe on the name of Jesus enough to do powerful works in his name--they will also be calling on his name-- i would say they had a powerful love for Jesus as well, their jaws will be dropped because a mortal told them they were saved, but that mortal didnt have a clue.
The bottom line of actually being saved is this-- Those who endure till the end will be saved.
No mortal has ever seen a name written in the book of life, no mortal can read anothers true heart, no mortal can possibly know who will endure till the end.
I would say the moral of this truth is that if ones religious teacher is telling someone that they are saved( or born again) that that teacher resides in the darkness and Jesus is not with him.
As far as having ones sin forgiven one must confess to God and also repent--repentence gets sin blotted out-acts 3:19-- Jesus death just opened the door for all to repent to get forgivness. Jesus death bought back what Adam lost for mankind. That is why at Matt 7:21-23-- a worker of iniquity( lawlessness) = a practicer of sin--showing that if one practices sin they will not be forgiven,so Jesus death does not automatically cover it.
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^Epic Win.

This should be framed.
 
Tarheeler

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
Nope.

I can say with confidence that I am not save in the Christian sense. In fact, some Christians will tell you that I'm damned to hell for leaving that religion.
 
Levite

Levite

Higher and Higher
kjw47 said:
Does one really believe that they are in a saved position because a mortal tells you so? Isnt God the one who writes the names in the book of life? Is mortal man elevating themselves into Gods position by telling another that they are saved?
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I'll go you one better: I don't even believe there's anything from which I require saving.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Egyptian Phoenix said:
Saved from what, if I may ask?
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Revelation [ 7 v 14,16,17 ] mentions coming out of a great tribulation on earth.
To come out would mean to be saved, delivered or rescued through that tribulation into the start of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

We are nearing the time of 1st Thess. [5 vs 2,3] when they [the powers that be] will be saying 'Peace and Safety' or 'Peace and Security' before the start of that great tribulation.
 
idea

idea

Question Everything
Saved can mean many different things. within our current life we can be saved from many different types of pains (like drug addictions, or painful relationships, or other harmful dependencies) through keeping the commandments and following the laws of God. The act of putting off the natural man and becoming a new creature through Christ is a life-long process, and an individual one. Those who honestly live in peace with their conscience I think are saved, but then I believe that our conscience is the light of Christ, and is in line with Christ's teachings.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Revelation [ 7 v 14,16,17 ] mentions coming out of a great tribulation on earth.
To come out would mean to be saved, delivered or rescued through that tribulation into the start of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

We are nearing the time of 1st Thess. [5 vs 2,3] when they [the powers that be] will be saying 'Peace and Safety' or 'Peace and Security' before the start of that great tribulation.
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How can you claim to know this, when Jesus himself said that no one, not even himself nor the angels in Heaven, but only the Father knows the time, and it shall come unexpectedly like a thief in the night? I may be wrong, but I believe he even warned against looking for signs of it.
 
Luminous

Luminous

non-existential luminary
Plus they've been saying "Peace and Safety" "Peace and Security" for about 10,000+ years now.
 
Reverend Richard

Reverend Richard

New Thought Minister
As a former conservative Christian, I have heard (and I have asked) this question many times. But after many years of study, I finally realized that most scripture upon which this question is based is suspect at best.

I also now understand why the Jews rejected Jesus as their messiah, and with good reason. With that said, the majority of Pauline Christianity becomes suspect as requiring "salvation" for our soul.
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Iridescence said:

Some believe that tribulation came and went back in AD70, in the form of the fall of Jerusalem.

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Isn't this one of the reasons that the Jews didn't accept Yeshua as the Messiah? No Messianic Age followed his death? Just asking.
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Shuddhasattva

Shuddhasattva

Well-Known Member
Reverend Richard said:
As a former conservative Christian, I have heard (and I have asked) this question many times. But after many years of study, I finally realized that most scripture upon which this question is based is suspect at best.

I also now understand why the Jews rejected Jesus as their messiah, and with good reason. With that said, the majority of Pauline Christianity becomes suspect as requiring "salvation" for our soul.
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"And if the resurrection be not, our faith is in vain."
 
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