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Evidence that God does not exist

Dayv

Member
Wow, it has been fun reading all of this, there's like three different debates going on at once.
ApostateAbe, your argument and comments such as "at least in my mind, and it should also follow in reasonable minds" are as arrogant and self-rightious as the religious people who start threads bashing other people's views. You have done little more than present your views and then continue to say that the inexistance of god is obvious. I remember having similar debates with people saying god was obvious for said reasons, though all they did was state their views and then say god is obvious. You have done nothing but shown yourself to be arrogant and close-minded. I suggest you give up while you're behind.
 

Solon

Active Member
The Christians live in world in which the Bible is seen as absolute truth. Beyond that book, they have no truths. Variations in theme have come along, more Christian cults than you can count, notoriously, the LDS and Jehovah's wtinesses. None of them have any inkling about what is truthful, other than they have invested their time and faith in words written in books by men.

As a pagan, we at least have a multiplicty of the gods to call upon, and I say that all faiths following the Judeo-Christian faiths are false faiths. The old Gods need nothing from people except the due respect and homage performed through Kriya, right action, that is to say, the doing of making the right offerings at the right time. In return the Gods may smile upon you or not.

The First Gods are the true Gods.

S
 

pandamonk

Active Member
Cordoba said:
The Human Soul is a Proof that God Exists

One interesting field of medical research today is research being done on Near-Death Experiences (NDE)s.

The Lancet, which is the most prestigious medical journal in the UK, in December 2001 published the research results of experiments done in Holland in a number of hospitals on patients who were in critical conditions, in intensive care units. The researchers found that more than 10% of the sample studied experienced what is known as NDE.

Here is a brief description, if of interest:

http://www.mikepettigrew.com/afterlife/html/dutch_study.html

A second study has been taking place in the UK, by researchers at Southampton University.

This initial research is proving that human beings are more than just a physical body, that we have an additional "component" (the soul).

Where does the sould come from?

Where does it go?
Why does Near Death Experiences prove there is a soul? Isn't a near death experience when you are close to death and survive? I have seen an essay on Outer Body Experiences, maybe this is what you mean? These were proven to be tricks of the mind. A surgeon who specializes in brain surgery, mainly epilepsy, did a test in many of his operation by touching or stimulating a certain part of the brain. Most, if not all, of the patients who had this done to them woke up explaining of an outer body experience they had during the operation. Also, I'm sure i have seen or read something on the experience of the tunnel and the bright light and going towards the light, and this could also be shown through stimulation of a certain part of the brain, or explained(can't remember how though):eek: .
 

Fade

The Great Master Bates
pandamonk said:
Why does Near Death Experiences prove there is a soul? Isn't a near death experience when you are close to death and survive? I have seen an essay on Outer Body Experiences, maybe this is what you mean? These were proven to be tricks of the mind. A surgeon who specializes in brain surgery, mainly epilepsy, did a test in many of his operation by touching or stimulating a certain part of the brain. Most, if not all, of the patients who had this done to them woke up explaining of an outer body experience they had during the operation. Also, I'm sure i have seen or read something on the experience of the tunnel and the bright light and going towards the light, and this could also be shown through stimulation of a certain part of the brain, or explained(can't remember how though):eek: .
I think it was something to do with the oxygen starved brain detecting electrical signals from the retina in a narrowed field of vision.
 

Fade

The Great Master Bates
Master Vigil said:
YES! It is just energy. Did you miss that?
YES!! It, just in different terms. Such as "ENERGY"!
So in Chinese/taoist cultures 'e=mc2' would be 'chi=mc2'?
Again, I don't think the original post was refering to your interpretation of Chi.
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
Fade said:
So in Chinese/taoist cultures 'e=mc2' would be 'chi=mc2'?
Pretty much.
Again, I don't think the original post was refering to your interpretation of Chi.
Nor was it referring to the actual taoists concept of chi. Which is why I didn't believe it fit on the list.
 

Fade

The Great Master Bates
Master Vigil said:
Pretty much.
Nor was it referring to the actual taoists concept of chi. Which is why I didn't believe it fit on the list.
What concept of Chi exists outside of taoist culture?
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Solon said:
The Christians live in world in which the Bible is seen as absolute truth. Beyond that book, they have no truths.
Not this Christian. The way I see it, most all faiths hold many truths.

~Victor
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
A literal translation of the word "Chi" (Qi) is "Breath". The Chinese use the term to describe "vital energy" that moves throughout the body with breathing.

When we move from concept to application, you find that there are any number of different things which are attributed to chi. Traits of biomechanics, basic leverave, etc will be ascribed as being mystical; as well as psycosomatic effects and downright frauds.

I'm not actually saying that there is not a "chi"; but the concept is very intertwined with a good deal of others.

To answer the other question: You'll find the concept throughout the world. Most cultures have trances, rituals, the use of "spiritual energy" or "magic". They are very often tied with breathing and meditation and altered states of consiousness.
 
ApostateAbe said:
The magnitude of evidence is largely subjective. And I am not trying to prove anything false. When God appears to be the product of human imagination as much as it does, AND any explanation of God for nature is frivolous, it follows, at least in my mind, and it should also follow in reasonable minds, that it is unlikely that God exists.

I always say that we will see this in the last judgement. I know God will never interfere with our lives or show Himself, because He wants us to show Him that we are worthy to enter His kingdom, why would he sway your personal opinion by showing He exits (it would not be fair since He gave us freewill). I have seen and fought evil spirits, thus there would be a balance of good spirits which are led by God. If you want me to show you how to let these evil spirits enter your life just send me a private message. I will share how I let and battled the evil and yes even satan itself out. If it works for you as it was for me, you might then believe. I was a man of science after my experience I know there are good and evil spirits.

God Bless
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
GodLovesUs said:
If you want me to show you how to let these evil spirits enter your life just send me a private message. I will share how I let and battled the evil and yes even satan itself out.
Please tell me. I am full of curiosity as to which "non evil" spirit you encountered. :D
 

Fade

The Great Master Bates
JerryL said:
A literal translation of the word "Chi" (Qi) is "Breath". The Chinese use the term to describe "vital energy" that moves throughout the body with breathing.

When we move from concept to application, you find that there are any number of different things which are attributed to chi. Traits of biomechanics, basic leverave, etc will be ascribed as being mystical; as well as psycosomatic effects and downright frauds.

I'm not actually saying that there is not a "chi"; but the concept is very intertwined with a good deal of others.

To answer the other question: You'll find the concept throughout the world. Most cultures have trances, rituals, the use of "spiritual energy" or "magic". They are very often tied with breathing and meditation and altered states of consiousness.
Going by this, I don't think chi should be removed from the list. Knockout
 

pandamonk

Active Member
GodLovesUs said:
If you want me to show you how to let these evil spirits enter your life just send me a private message. I will share how I let and battled the evil and yes even satan itself out. If it works for you as it was for me, you might then believe.
Why only say it in a private message? We all want to know.
 

Atheist_Dave

*Foxy Lady*
GodLovesUs shows most signs of a neurotic. However, I would also like to know how to let evil spirits enter my life, just for the sake of having a good joke to tell at dinner parties mainly. x
 

MdmSzdWhtGuy

Well-Known Member
For that matter I would like to see any evidence of heretofore "supernatural" occurances. There has never been any proof of what we would call any supernatural thing of any sort. Unless and until there is such proof, I think we are arguing about how many Angels can dance on the head of pin here.

B.
 
I haven't read all the posts, and I'm not going to go deep into a debate, but let me say:
- I was at a church service where a woman who walked in the door with a large tumor walked out the door without that same tumor.
- Not only have I had spiritual experiences, the so-called "illusions", but I have witnessed others. Yes, I am pentecostal, and I once attended a youth revival where THOUSANDS of people were speaking in unknown tongues. It was SCARY in the least.
- Many fellow members of my church have had miraculous healings, including more than one cancers suddenly vanishing.
I may or may not have had some spiritual illusions or whatever myself, but I have witnessed things in others that can only be explained by the existence of a God.
 
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