bigbadgirl
Active Member
A great big target with lots of bulls-eyes that can't be defended.
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Why do people enjoy attacking the Catholic church so much
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Much like any human being.
Those who live in glass houses...
bigbadgirl
Active Member
It's just so easy!
I'm simply defending the Catholic Church's right to their stance on contraceptives. They have a religious view based on their interpretation of the Bible. It's absurd to accuse them of wanting to spread STDs and unwanted pregnancy. It's also absurd for the government to butt in and try to force them to provide insurance that covers contraception.
It is absurd i guess for a religious organisation to employ logic,lets see what the Pope said regarding using Condoms in exceptional circumstances:
He said condoms could reduce the risk of HIV infection, such as for a male prostitute, in a series of interviews given to a German journalist.
But he said a more humane attitude to sexuality, and not condom use, was the proper way to combat HIV infection.
Of course its only the Gay community that spreads STD'sand not millions of Humans engaging in unprotected sex,the good old rythm method is sure to combat HIV and a high birthrate in some of the worst poverty stricken countries in the world :areyoucra.
Gods representative on Earth produced another gem:
On a visit to Cameroon last year, the Pope said the use of condoms could endanger public health and increase the problem of HIV/Aids, rather than help to contain the virus. This drew criticism from several EU states.
BBC News - Pope condones condom use in exceptional cases - book
Criticism isn't absurd,whether its of religion or not,it is absurd though IMO to make decision that flies in the face of the facts,its a fact that the use of Condoms reduces the risk of transmitting STD's and unwanted pregnancies,the Vatican obviously know this and in the sixties took a vote where the Cardinals voted in favour of using Condoms which the then Pope overuled.
Its absurd that an organisation that protects paedophiles yet openly condemns Homosexuals and Gay marriage
BBC News - Catholic cardinal criticises gay marriages plan
On the British Governments plans for Gay marriage.
Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland, said the plans were a "grotesque subversion of a universally accepted human right".
I guess the Vatican is more adept at Human wrongs to even know what a Human right is,it isn't grotesque for a bunch of perverted Priests to roam the land but it is grotesque that two consenting loving adults want to get married,thats not just absurd its discusting.
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The Catholic Church is not a "person", but if you do want to look at it in those terms... in this country, a person who sexually victimized children for decades would probably be a candidate for dangerous offender status, meaning that he or she could face indefinite imprisonment.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
The Catholic church inspite of making progress in the areas of spiritual warefare, textual criticism, and an emphasis on unity has done more damage to Christianity than any other organization I can think of. Doctrines such as, indulgances, works based salvation, pergatory, papal infallability, conduct of the crusaders, accumulation of wealth, the witch hunts and their pusuit unto death of anyone that dissagrees etc....... has been an obsticle for Christianity as a whole.
templetest
Member
Last great accepted predjudice? Really? Do you not get out much?:sleep:
Surely you're not serious?
Then, there's this too....
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/trial-priest-joked-about-abusing-3-boys-in-week-1.1294043
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work in progress
Well-Known Member
On the subject of sexual-offender priests, a recent CBC Radio episode of The Current presented a story on Catholic Church's attempts to silence critics: SNAP vs. The Roman Catholic Church
A group dedicated to helping survivors of abuse by Roman Catholic priests, says it's now worried about its own survival. The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests - or SNAP as its known - is based in the United States, but has chapters around the world, including Canada. The group believes the Church is trying to bury it in expensive legal actions. SNAP officials say it's all part of a campaign to cripple and silence an organization that's worked with victims, whistleblowers and witnesses for more than two decades.
The group, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known as SNAP, is neither a plaintiff nor a defendant in the litigation. But the group has been subpoenaed five times in recent months in Kansas City and St. Louis, and its national director, David Clohessy, was questioned by a battery of lawyers for more than six hours this year. A judge in Kansas City ruled that the network must comply because it almost certainly had information relevant to the case.
The network and its allies say the legal action is part of a campaign by the church to cripple an organization that has been the most visible defender of victims, and a relentless adversary, for more than two decades. If there is one group that the higher-ups, the bishops, would like to see silenced, said Marci A. Hamilton, a law professor at Yeshiva University and an advocate for victims of clergy sex crimes, it definitely would be SNAP. And thats what theyre going after. Theyre trying to find a way to silence SNAP.
The network and its allies say the legal action is part of a campaign by the church to cripple an organization that has been the most visible defender of victims, and a relentless adversary, for more than two decades. If there is one group that the higher-ups, the bishops, would like to see silenced, said Marci A. Hamilton, a law professor at Yeshiva University and an advocate for victims of clergy sex crimes, it definitely would be SNAP. And thats what theyre going after. Theyre trying to find a way to silence SNAP.
Just hope the Republicans don't create an intelligent Santorum in their labs at the Heritage Foundation or the American Enterprise Institute, because the reason why Protestant fundamentalists held JFK's feet to the fire and forced a speech like that famous campaign speech before the Southern Baptist Association proclaiming his support for separation of Church and State, was because they were fully aware of the Concordat agreements that the Vatican had forced on to Catholic-majority nations of Europe and in the freed colonies, and were going to fight anything similar being signed into law by a Catholic President. Since the Vatican is on the rebound and pushing Concordats again after a decline of several decades and a flirtation with liberalism, here's a good site to learn about what they are, how they affect nations that sign these theocratic agreements, and what signs to look for to stop the creeping theocracy: Concordat Watch
templetest
Member
That and they do make it easy. I wonder if it's an attempt to kep focus on them or if they are so stupid - so disconnected from reality - that they really think they're right? It's hard to tell with this pope in power.
work in progress
Well-Known Member
I'm not following this thread very closely, even though I posted a couple of comments. Personally, I think that aside from a few atheist and evangelical cranks who go after doctrinal issues, most of what the OP calls persecuting the mother church is because of how the Church acts here and now in the world. Their stands against allowing women in the priesthood, increasingly aggressive tactics against birth control access for women, their choice of coverup rather than dealing with priest sex abuse scandals...which I mentioned in my last post - they are trying to bankrupt a public advocacy group for victims of abuse, and the cozying up to the political right and the power elites all over the world, are enough to make us non-Catholics ask why moderates and liberal Catholics are still in a Church that doesn't want them?
I am married to a lapsed Catholic, who hasn't gone to mass in at least 8 years. It's ironic that I met my wife almost 30 years ago when she was just graduating from high school, and was a member of a Catholic anti nuclear ban-the-bomb group. I doubt that group even exists now, as the push from above has forced out all sorts of liberal activist groups from the Church. Before we got married, I considered going through the rigamarole of becoming a Catholic, even though I was an agnostic. We ended up, for a number of unrelated reasons to getting married in a bland, liberal mainstream Protestant church. We drifted away from that church when we started having kids, and my wife wanted to go back to the Catholic Church and I wanted to sleep in on Sundays! The point is - all during the time that our two boys were baptised, confirmed and attended Catholic schools, the fact that I never joined, never became an issue....until we moved to our new home 10 years ago, and the local Catholic school board refused to accept our youngest son, even though he had already been in a Catholic school for several years in our past locale. I should add that our youngest refused confirmation at 13...no doubt having to stream in to a public school, that did not have confirmation classes scheduled during school hours was a big influence.
So, something changed during the post JPII era of the Catholic Church, both at the international and the local levels. The Church hierarchy has always been against abortion and birth control, but my wife stopped going to Mass because she got sick of having to listen to anti-birth control sermons from the Bishop read by the local priests, whether they agreed with them or not! Today....at least in Canada...the Catholic Church has transitioned to prosecuting their key sex issues, and just paying lip service to poverty and all the social issues they claimed were so important years ago: Daily Kos: Catholic Church cuts funding for poor Latinos, laity steps up
Last month the Catholic Church dumped a Sacramento, CA homeless shelter from their list of supported charities because its directorin her own personal life not as a representative of charityhad expressed her support for women's freedom of choice and marriage equality. They're at it again, this time cutting off assistance to poor Latinos in Colorado.
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Question Everything
I have some Catholics in my fam - my dad won't go to church because "church scares the hell of of" him (LOL - pun intended). I guess some of those nuns at the Catholic schools are pretty strict
As far as their doctrinal issues (women in the priesthood, birth control, SSM, charity support) I see all of these as being doctrinal issues - everyone should be free to act according to the dictates of their own conscience, let everyone choose which church to go to, and let each church decide what charities to support / what to do with their $ - that's freedom of religion, which is important to support. The abuse scandals are a different story - that I have a problem with, but the other stuff I don't.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
"Enjoy" is a loaded term - I have no comment on whether they enjoy it. But aside from that, as to the "why" the RCC finds itself under pressure and frequent scorn, distrust and/or disdain, I suspect it's the same as in all things - one reaps what one sows.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I have a problem with the doctrines of Ex Cathedra, grace plus works (whatever that means), indulgences, transubstination, pergatory, the assertion of opinion over scripture, the worship or deifying Mary, and priestly mediation etc....And the practices of the crusades, witch hunts, inquisition, regulated mass, and priestly confession.I have some Catholics in my fam - my dad won't go to church because "church scares the hell of of" him (LOL - pun intended). I guess some of those nuns at the Catholic schools are pretty strict
As far as their doctrinal issues (women in the priesthood, birth control, SSM, charity support) I see all of these as being doctrinal issues - everyone should be free to act according to the dictates of their own conscience, let everyone choose which church to go to, and let each church decide what charities to support / what to do with their $ - that's freedom of religion, which is important to support. The abuse scandals are a different story - that I have a problem with, but the other stuff I don't.
Looncall
Well-Known Member
Alright, my words may be a little harsh. But open your mind for a minute. Anyone can sling as much mud at Catholics and the Church as they like, and there is no repercussions. Try doing that to any other group and see how the media and the people (of that group and others) respond.
Perhaps it's because opposing the RCC is becoming a civic duty, given the evils the RCC is perpetrating throughout the world.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I would add that in my opinion that while The Catholic Church has indeed made some great contributions to Christianity they have also done more damage to it than any other organizaion in history.
gerobbins
What's your point?
I guess because Catholics like to eat, drink and be merry? I am a Catholic and I have never realized how much bashing goes on about Catholics until I went to a evangelical church. Talk about hypocrisy though.
You know, I just want to find a church that does not pass any judgements on who or what we are.
You know, I just want to find a church that does not pass any judgements on who or what we are.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
As sincere advise from one individual to another, if what you are seeking is a safe haven and refuge from Judgement, then I think you've picked the wrong Religion :/