Buddha believed in the Creator God

Twilight Hue · May 19, 2012

paarsurrey said:
The Creator God is the only ONE reality in existence and attributes; all others have been bestowed existence and life by Him. He only is Immortal; all except Him will die; He makes them die and nobody else could escape death.

You belong to a rather unique Religion Paarsurrey. Please accept my sincere apologies for suspecting you for trolling. One tenent of Buddhism is mindfulness, and exercising such I understand your position now. :0)

paarsurrey · May 19, 2012

Nowhere Man said:
You belong to a rather unique Religion Paarsurrey. Please accept my sincere apologies for suspecting you for trolling. One tenent of Buddhism is mindfulness, and exercising such I understand your position now. :0)

I am a Muslim by religion; but I have no claim of any piety or scholarship as I am just an ordinary man in the street. I am on the right/middle path yet finding the path ahead which is endless till I reach the destination of ONE-the INFINITE by His grace and kindness.

Thanks

paarsurrey · May 19, 2012

Tathagata said:
Uh no, the Middle Path says no such thing. It doesn't even imply anything the sort.

What you are saying is rubbish and has no basis in scripture. I provide scriptural evidence for my claims, you provide nothing but baseless conjecture.

The Buddha: "Others think that God is free creator of all things; clinging to these foolish notions, there is no awakening."
[Lankavatara Sutra]

The Buddha: "All such notions [of a] ...personal soul, Supreme Spirit, Sovereign God, Creator, are all figments of the imagination and manifestations of mind."
[Lankavatara Sutra]

I wonder how long it will take before you understand this.

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I think Buddha does not bind one to the Buddhist scriptures in Kalama Sutta.

Does he?

Twilight Hue · May 19, 2012

paarsurrey said:
I am a Muslim by religion; but I have no claim of any piety or scholarship as I am just an ordinary man in the street. I am on the right/middle path yet finding the path ahead which is endless till I reach the destination of ONE-the INFINITE by His grace and kindness.

Thanks

I did a little in depth research and found your views compatable with Ahmadiya which I was unaware of before. Rising in the 19th century in Punjab. It offered insight and provided a degree of understanding as to your perspective and approach. Im convinced of your sincerity. I wish you well. Take good care of yourself. :0)

Tathagata · May 19, 2012

paarsurrey said:
I think Buddha does not bind one to the Buddhist scriptures in Kalama Sutta.

Does he?

You have an elementary and blatantly false understanding of the Kalama Sutta. The Buddha NEVER suggests that his teachings are false or even possibly false. In the Kalama Sutta he simply says that he wants you to accept his teachings not merely because he proclaims it, but because you have reached the truth based on your own investigation because only through personal investigation and experience can one have a legitimate and full understanding.

Yes, the Buddha says to question all things, critically examine things, not accept things based on authority, but he asserts that the Buddha Dharma is ultimate truth and that you will arrive at this same truth after you go on your own journey for truth.

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atanu · May 19, 2012

paarsurrey said:
I think Buddha does not bind one to the Buddhist scriptures in Kalama Sutta.

Does he?

Tathagata said:
You have an elementary and blatantly false understanding of the Kalama Sutta. The Buddha NEVER suggests that his teachings are false or even possibly false.

To be fair. IMO, paarsurrey did not say that the teaching was false.

Wannabe Yogi · May 20, 2012

Nowhere Man said:
So whats the debate about?

Did Buddha come up with Islam ?

Twilight Hue · May 20, 2012

Wannabe Yogi said:
Did Buddha come up with Islam ?

No. Nor that of Paarsurreys particular sect of Islam. There were a few things that resonated however that caused me to reflect on a few things. :0)

paarsurrey · May 20, 2012

Nowhere Man said:
I did a little in depth research and found your views compatable with Ahmadiya which I was unaware of before. Rising in the 19th century in Punjab. It offered insight and provided a degree of understanding as to your perspective and approach. Im convinced of your sincerity. I wish you well. Take good care of yourself. :0)

Yes, I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.

Thanks for your good wishes.

Regards

paarsurrey · May 20, 2012

Tathagata said:
The Buddha NEVER suggests that his teachings are false or even possibly false.

I never said that.

Buddha's teachings were truthful but the Buddhists/Buddhism could not preserve them.

paarsurrey · May 20, 2012

Tathagata said:
In the Kalama Sutta he simply says that he wants you to accept his teachings not merely because he proclaims it, but because you have reached the truth based on your own investigation because only through personal investigation and experience can one have a legitimate and full understanding.

Yes, the Buddha says to question all things, critically examine things, not accept things based on authority,

I am just doing that, please.

paarsurrey · May 20, 2012

Wannabe Yogi said:
Did Buddha come up with Islam ?

Buddha did not come after Muhammad so taking it in literal terms the question is not valid.

In spiritual terms; yes he could be termed as a spiritual father of Muhammad like Abraham and Adam were.

It is better to state that all the founders of revealed religions were from one source; hence they were truthful persons, perfect human beings, unique as they had conversed with ONE- the Creator God and became an image of uniqueness in their own merits.

They could also be called brothers in faith, joining and shaking hands with one another smilingly and happily saving the humanity and serving it selflessly.

atanu · May 20, 2012

paarsurrey said:
One may like to read a research article by Mirza Tahir Ahmad on Buddhism, by clicking the link at the end of the following quote:
This impression of the Buddhists' negation of God is also wrong on another count. An exploration of early Buddhist sources as we shall demonstrate, reveals ample proof that Buddhism began like any other Divinely revealed faith with its emphasis on the Unity of God.

Buddhism

My understanding: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2932045-post20.html

Howsoever fine our understanding may be, do we claim that we know Buddha more than the Monks who are following His teachings?

IMO, that is a problem, my friend.

paarsurrey · May 20, 2012

atanu said:
My understanding: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2932045-post20.html

Howsoever fine our understanding may be, do we claim that we know Buddha more than the Monks who are following His teachings?

IMO, that is a problem, my friend.

Monks are also human beings; they could make mistakes and they do make mistakes of omission and commission. They cannot be allowed to have any hegemony on Buddha or his teachings.
They should be respected, like any other human beings, but not followed blindly whatever the write or interpret; only Buddha is to be followed while treading on the right/middle path.

Buddha and Jesus spoke against the clergy/priesthood very strongly.

I think you know what Jesus spoke in the temple

atanu · May 20, 2012

paarsurrey said:
Monks are also human beings; ----

So are you and me.

paarsurrey · May 20, 2012

atanu said:
So are you and me.

Sure.

Then we follow our conscience, reason and brilliant arguments ; we don't have to look to the monks.

atanu · May 20, 2012

paarsurrey said:
Sure.

Then we follow our conscience, reason and brilliant arguments ; we don't have to look to the monks.

Sure. Buddhists monks have equal or better brilliant arguments. Do you think you have patent on Buddha? Show where he taught about creator God or that creator god was the goal.

paarsurrey · May 20, 2012

atanu said:
Sure. Buddhists monks have equal or better brilliant arguments. Do you think you have patent on Buddha? Show where he taught about creator God or that creator god was the goal.

I think I did not claim that I have patent on Buddha. Did I?

Tathagata · May 20, 2012

paarsurrey said:
I think I did not claim that I have patent on Buddha. Did I?

You keep avoiding the question, where in Buddhist scripture did the Buddha proclaim belief in a Creator God?

Do not evade the question, simply provide the passage or concede.

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Gjallarhorn · May 20, 2012

Tathagata said:
You keep avoiding the question, where in Buddhist scripture did the Buddha proclaim belief in a Creator God?

Do not evade the question, simply provide the passage or concede.

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He's not evading, actually. He sees no merit in the scriptures, yet somehow simultaneously finds merit in the Gospel of Buddha, which was derived from them.

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