I already gave it though.
And people be get'n too angry.
I don't do angry.
I like to think of posters here as friends, so a time comes to let things settle down.
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Obama: gays in the military fight on my behalf.
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And people be get'n too angry.
I don't do angry.
I like to think of posters here as friends, so a time comes to let things settle down.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
While it is somewhat obvious that Obama was speaking as a private citizen, he is nonetheless the Failure-in-Chief and should have given a bit more care to the wording. One would expect that a truly gifted orator would have nailed it perfectly. Wow. Not only is he a lousy leader, but he isn't much of an orator either. Who knew?
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Who knew that the difference of one word (my vs our), even though it makes perfect sense within the context, is what distinguishes a good orator from a bad one?
HerDotness
Lady Babbleon
LOL...seriously! Very seriously, and that the professional opinion of a former teacher of public speaking.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
"I" would hardly call that a gaffe. And I don't remember him saying the military fights for (him). He said "on his behalf"....and seeing as though he can't serve in any of the armed forces then they are fighting on his behalf....They're doing the same for me considering I'm too old to serve.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Go figure that Cheney is years ahead of Barry on this one.So I guess Obama finally agrees with Dick Cheney about something.
Well, obviously, when a secret Muslim-Kenyan-Socialist-Communist-Nazi-sleeper agent planted in 1964 got elected! /sarcasm
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Did he endorse Gay Marriage and equal rights openly while he was still VP like Biden or was it later?
To my knowledge Obama's stance on LGBT Equal rights extends back to 2009 during the same year Cheney and his wife were on The View endorsing gay marriage because I attended the HRC (Human Rights Campaign) where the President spoke for 25 minutes on the issue and endorsing LGBT equal rights. Cheney has a leg up seeing as though his daughter is Lesbian and all for gay marriage.
I just retired after 20 in the Navy, and I, at least, joined initially because I both needed the money and wanted the (pre 9/11) GI Bill for college. I stuck around partly because I got stuck in a pattern of Navy provided education (Bachelors for a Commission and commitment, Master's for a commitment) and the much desired retirement pay. Had I been able to qualify for the post 9-11 bill, I would have done so, tours in the Mid-East or no. That experience would likely have caused me to NOT stay long enough for retirement in all likelihood.
As commander in chief of the military and as the target of the Oath of Enlistment (...obey the orders of the President and the Officers appointed over me...) the Enlisted ranks kind of technically do fight for the President. Yes, there is more to the Oath of Enlistment than what I quoted, but regarding the statement that POTUS made, yeah, the Enlisted ranks have sworn to follow the POTUS.
I do agree that this particular issue is a non-issue that frankly I question the motives behind those that have tried to make this an issue.
esmith
Veteran Member
Fox News does have a conservative slant, but you can not say that the rest of the lame-stream media doesn't have a liberal slant. Suggest you read the book "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg
The thing is, though, that Fox News is far, far, far more slanted than any of the other media to the point that it's an absolute joke -- especially their claim to be "fair and balanced."
Studies show that people who watch Fox News are less informed than those who don't watch any news at all.
Fox has been at the center of scandals involving the "news" section (as opposed to the "entertainment" sections -- Fox's way of getting away with being utterly biased and then whining that they're "entertaining" sometimes and not informing) being given talking points with extreme conservative slants.
Fox has been busted altering photos of their ideological enemies to make them look more sinister (e.g., adding dark circles under the eyes, receding the hair line, etc.)
Nearly all of Fox's "opinions" are conservative (and their opinions consist of, frankly, 90% of their material) -- the "liberals" they provide as supposed counterpoints are the furthest right-leaning, lightweight "liberals" imaginable (they're essentially pathetic strawmen).
Fox is a joke. It's neither fair or balanced, and they don't even report so that we can decide -- they clearly already make the decisions by offering their opinions during the reporting. It's the most brain-dead garbage available in the media; and I would say that if they were a liberal force instead of a conservative one, too.
I think it says a lot that Fox viewers end up less informed than people that watch no news at all. Garbage in, garbage out.
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Also, asking us to read a book by a contributor to Fox (Goldberg) about why Fox's competitors are supposedly biased is in itself... pretty laughably ridiculous. :sarcastic
I really, really, really think you need to re-evaluate your worldview esmith, at least in terms of the trustworthiness of your chosen media and the absolute NONSENSE that media is brainwashing you with.
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tytlyf
Not Religious
"Lame-stream media." I know where you got that slogan...Fox. I love how fox brainwashes their viewers into thinking that ANY news source besides fox is lame-stream media. I guess it's their way of keeping their viewers only on one station (Fear and Lies)
This is a youtube clip of CNN absolutely destroying this kind of lie in front of millions.
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CNN's Rick Sanchez Calls Out FOX News Liars - YouTube
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Brainwashing comes from the left too. People will cite books & statistics from both sides, but this strikes me as merely entrenching each, &
obscuring objective analysis. Left leaning media will lie, spin & fabricate too. I notice this particularly on NPR (my only radio news source),
when they present personal opinion as fact, redefine words, & selectively cover (or not cover) news items.
Example #1: I recently heard NPR present the "fact" that Trayvon Martin was murdered. Just this second, I heard an NPR host claim that they're
"unbiased" (this is their oft repeated slogan). (During pledge drives, they tell me that I don't even need another news source.) But to call
"murder" in a case where evidence does not point there seems to be more than error. I call it outright dishonest propagandizing. They've been
part of the campaign to make the shooting about "Stand Your Ground" self defense laws, when in actuality Zimmerman pursued Martin, rather
than standing his ground. (Although, it appears that Zimmerman was lying on the ground being pummeled when the shot was fired.)
Example #2: NPR didn't cover the Bill Clinton's sexcapades until after his re-election. Drudge broke the story earlier, but left leaning media
gave Bill a pass. Was this deliberate omission to help his campaign? Conveniently, their coverage began as soon as he won his 2nd term.
Example #3: Check out this ABC News piece, & see if you can spot some lies.....
http://abcnews.go.com/US/militias-h...opulation-boom/story?id=16370136#.T7af98VnsvV
Consider this a pop quiz.
To protest against Fox so stridently, yet heap no scorn on left leaning media falsehoods suggests it's time to re-evaluate your Weltanshauung.
Caution: Before anyone jumps all over this post using "False equivalency!" argument that Fox is quantitatively worse, therefore we need
pay the others no heed, that is to misread my admonition to watch all sources critically.....especially those you like & trust. Even if
there were convincing that Fox is worse than MSNBC or others, I argue that NPR & NYT are the most insidious, since they cultivate the
appearance of respectability, while sneaking in their agenda with greater artfulness & stealth.
My advice: Get a diverse group of news sources, folks....& trust none completely.
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esmith
Veteran Member
Everyone has their own political opinion, and in my case it is as a fiscal conservative. I and my spouse both watch the Fox News and Fox Business programing. I also watch Meet the Press, Chris Mathews Show and Face the Nation. I am 70 years old and feel that I am very well informed on what is going on in this country and the world. I would like to know who you consider "trustworthy" to keep you informed on the US and world situation.
Now to your blatantly uninformed comment about the book "Bias". It was published in 2002. It is obvious that you will never read this book, because it doesn't support your ideas. You appear to be unwilling to be exposed to anything that goes against your obvious political stance. You, sir or madam, are the uniformed if you are unwilling to listen to information that does not support your beliefs.
Every "News" program I watch on either the Fox News or Fox Business attempts to provide contributors with opposing views to put forth their opinion. What main stream network (CBS, NBC, ABC) "News" program has the time or inclination to do this. You must agree that the majority of the press has a "slobbering love affair with President Obama"
I'll never forgive you for providing me with that mental image!
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Hypocrite much?
esmith
Veteran Member
You are using the word "Hypocrite" as a verb whereas it is a noun.
Definition of "hypocrite"
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
So not sure what you are attempting to convey in your post.