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The Ark was built by an amateur, the Titanic by professionals, evidence of Arc

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
JerryL said:
True, the Biblical claim is that the dome (raquia) called "sky" which seperates the waters above from the waters below (note that neither exists in reality) was opened, and some of the waters above were allowed to fall into heaven and onto the Earth.
That dome theory or vapor canopy is not really backed by scripture. Notice that Scripture says that the water returned from off the earth (Gen 8:3). This means that the vapor canopy would still be there.

The text says that the window's of "heaven" were opened. According to Gen 1 this would be the third heaven which is where God resides. The water returned there.


JerryL said:
Likely most are insects. So what? From what random-number-generator did you come up with 30k?.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html This site speaks of the amount of species that would have needed to be on the ark and the space available for them.
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
That dome theory or vapor canopy is not really backed by scripture. Notice that Scripture says that the water returned from off the earth (Gen 8:3). This means that the vapor canopy would still be there.
No, a "vapor canopy" is not. That's an invention by apologeticists. Gen 1 clearly says that in the beginnin gwas the deep, and that an expanse was formed in the deep seperating the waters in to the waters above and the waters below, and that the sun, moon, and stars are in the expanse (called "sky"), and that the water below was made to seperate and reveal land.

The text says that the window's of "heaven" were opened. According to Gen 1 this would be the third heaven which is where God resides. The water returned there.
This "multiple heaven" thing is also apologetic. The word "Heaven" is "Raquia" which means "Expanse". The Raquia is named "Sky". There is only one, which holds back the water above.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html This site speaks of the amount of species that would have needed to be on the ark and the space available for them.
Well, they fabricated their numbers. As I said, there are (minimally) 2,000,000,000 species.
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
JerryL said:
Well, they fabricated their numbers. As I said, there are (minimally) 2,000,000,000 species.
And are you faking your numbers? This from http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/58.html
"The United Nations Environment Programme's Global Biodiversity Assessment is often cited, which estimates the number of described species at approximately 1.75 million. One study done by prominent biologist E.O. Wilson and others estimate known species at approximately 1.4 million, while another study estimates the number at approximately 1.5 million."

I believe the site I listed said there were "over" 1 million species.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
well other numbers are:

[font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]The most commonly quoted estimate is somewhere between 30 and 50 millions based on Erwin’s (1988, 1997) study of tropical insects. This estimate is controversial and politically charged because the larger your initial estimate, the larger the estimated species loss. You also have to take into account that Erwin himself did not present this as a definitive number, but presented his estimate in an effort to spur further research. Let’s look at how this number was arrived at.[/font]
from: http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/thomas.wolosz/howmanysp.htm

While conservationists can predict how many species there are within a single habitat, the usefulness of this approach is limited because it's impossible to sample all the habitats in large areas. Knowing the number of species is critical to tracking – and addressing -- declines in biodiversity. "Right now we can only guess that the correct answer for the total number of species worldwide lies between 2 and 100 million," says Rosenzweig.
from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030526103731.htm

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif] Between 1.4 and 1.8 million species (distinct types) of living organisms have so far been named. But some scientists believe that this may be as little as 10 per cent of the total number of species in the world.[/font]
from: http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted_sites/woodlice/page007b.html

We are finding new species at terrific rates... many are granted not media friendly. How many people really get excited over new ants? Well the guys at Google are pretty happy, they had a new Madagascar ant named in thier honor: Proceratium google :jam:
http://www.antweb.org/description.do?rank=species&genus=proceratium&name=google&project=

wa:do
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
JerryL said:
This "multiple heaven" thing is also apologetic. The word "Heaven" is "Raquia" which means "Expanse". The Raquia is named "Sky". There is only one, which holds back the water above.
Ok, now where did this come from? Raquia is not the word used for heaven in either the creation account or the referenced windows of heaven in Genesis 6. The multiple heavens is also not apologetic it is an explaintion of meaning. Do you make this stuff up?

In Genesis 1:1 the third heaven is mentioned (this being called third because John was called up to the third heaven, where God is). The next heaven is mentioned in Gen 1:6-8 and is called the "firmament of heaven." This is where the stars are located, re. Gen. 1:14-16. The last heaven is called the "open firmament of heaven" and is where the birds fly, Gen 1:20.

This, by the way is why the King James version has Gen 1:1 correct when it says that in the beginning God created the Heaven (singular) and the earth. The other heavens came later.
 

Smoke

Done here.
God is love said:
Other than the bible there are over 200 historical records that report a similar story.
That's a frequent Creationist claim, but I've never seen it substantiated. I've seen attempts to substantiate it, all of which lead me to believe the claim is nowhere close to the truth. Generally, they include any flood story, no matter how dissimilar to the biblical story. Since even the Creationists don't claim that all these legends are credible, and since nobody denies that floods have occurred, they really prove nothing at all.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
not to mention the thousands of cultures that DONT have a flood story of any kind... and how many have opposing legends.

wa:do
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
And are you faking your numbers?
No, I'm not. I put up several sources.

the number of described species at approximately 1.75 million. One study done by prominent biologist E.O. Wilson and others estimate known species at approximately 1.4 million, while another study estimates the number at approximately 1.5 million."
Notice the bolded words. That's the number of catalogued species. The one's we have actually named.

I believe the site I listed said there were "over" 1 million species.
I'm quoting from your cite here:

"of all the tens of millions of species that have existed on the earth, only a comparatively small percentage have been studied in detail."

From other cites (click for link)
30 - 50 million
2 - 100 million
2 - 100 million (different cite)

You can google dozens more. With around 1.5 million identified species, 2 million is a conservative estimate, and is only intended to cover modern species.
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
Ok, now where did this come from? Raquia is not the word used for heaven in either the creation account or the referenced windows of heaven in Genesis 6. The multiple heavens is also not apologetic it is an explaintion of meaning. Do you make this stuff up?
It occurs in Genesis 1:6.

The word (tranlated in the KJV as "firmament") is raqiya`, pronounced "raw-kee'-ah", Strong's number 7549, based on the root word 'raqa'.

You'll find the linkable KJV here

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The word used for "Heaven", which is the name of the firmament, is 'shamayim' (Strong's 8064).

Here they are side-by-side

ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים׃
ויעש אלהים את־הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשר מעל לרקיע ויהי־כן׃
ויקרא אלהים לרקיע שמים ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום שני׃ פ

I can go grab a lexicon and point out the actual symbols involved if you like; but I somehow doubt that you are going to assert that all the major biblical sites are funsamentally wrong.

In Genesis 1:1 the third heaven is mentioned (this being called third because John was called up to the third heaven, where God is). The next heaven is mentioned in Gen 1:6-8 and is called the "firmament of heaven." This is where the stars are located, re. Gen. 1:14-16. The last heaven is called the "open firmament of heaven" and is where the birds fly, Gen 1:20.
It's you that are inventing things not there.

Firstly, Gen 1:1, says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. "

The word used for heaven is 'shamayim', which you may recall, also appears starting in 1:8, when he gives the expanse it as a name. There is only one mentioned.

Perhaps you would like to assert that Gen 1:1 occurs (heaven and earth are created), and *then* the rest of Gen 1 occurs seperately (as opposed to being the breakdown of the summary in Gen 1:1). That has God creating two Earths and giving the same name to at least two expanses (remember that "sky" is a name, not a description).

This, by the way is why the King James version has Gen 1:1 correct when it says that in the beginning God created the Heaven (singular) and the earth. The other heavens came later.
Where did they come? Show the creation of other later. If God is in the third heaven, when did he move there (it having not existed before)?

It's unbiblical folklore.
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
JerryL said:
It occurs in Genesis 1:6.

The word (tranlated in the KJV as "firmament") is raqiya`, pronounced "raw-kee'-ah", Strong's number 7549, based on the root word 'raqa'.

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The word used for "Heaven", which is the name of the firmament, is 'shamayim' (Strong's 8064).).
And He called the firmament "Heaven," shamayim.

Gen 8:2 "The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained."

The rain came from heaven, shamayim, look it up.

JerryL said:
Firstly, Gen 1:1, says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. "

The word used for heaven is "shamayim'', which you may recall, also appears starting in 1:8, when he gives the expanse it as a name. There is only one mentioned.
Good gracious, I explained the three heavens and their origin in my last post. Did you read that part?

JerryL said:
Perhaps you would like to assert that Gen 1:1 occurs (heaven and earth are created), and *then* the rest of Gen 1 occurs seperately (as opposed to being the breakdown of the summary in Gen 1:1).
Why would I want to do that? I don't subscribe to the thought that Gen 1:1 is an introductory verse. It doesn't make sense.

JerryL said:
That has God creating two Earths and giving the same name to at least two expanses (remember that "sky" is a name, not a description).
Go back and read my explaination. There are three heavens, called, heaven, the firmament of heaven, and the open fimament of heaven. Those are their names and they describe three separate things, heaven, space and sky.
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
And He called the firmament "Heaven," shamayim.

Gen 8:2 "The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained."

The rain came from heaven, shamayim, look it up.
Actually, it came from the water above heaven when the windows of heaven were opened. But I'm confused as you seem to be agreeing with me.

Good gracious, I explained the three heavens and their origin in my last post. Did you read that part?
You asserted it, you did not support your assertion. I leveled specific attack on what elements of support you did put up.

Go back and read my explaination. There are three heavens, called, heaven, the firmament of heaven, and the open fimament of heaven. Those are their names and they describe three separate things, heaven, space and sky.
That's not an explanation, that's a claim. There's no linguistic change nor numberical cnage between 1:6, 1:14, and 1:20. Support your claim that there are three heavens.

Throughout the history o fthe Jews and later Christians; there is some varince in the actual cosmological view. Both groups borrowed heavily from others, and at some point the "multiple sections of heaven" come in... though three is far from the only number used.

never-the-less, the Bible only discusses one expanse.

http://home.messiah.edu/~kbauer/
http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/fezek.html
http://www.aarweb.org/syllabus/syllabi/g/gier/306/commoncosmos.htm
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
JerryL said:
Actually, it came from the water above heaven when the windows of heaven were opened. But I'm confused as you seem to be agreeing with me.
That is the Heaven where God is that was created in Gen 1:1. To get back to where this started there was a claim made that there was not enough water on earth to cover the earth. That is true. The extra water came from Heaven. It could not have come from the sky or the firmament.

JerryL said:
You asserted it, you did not support your assertion. I leveled specific attack on what elements of support you did put up.
I did but you didn't accept it.

JerryL said:
That's not an explanation, that's a claim. There's no linguistic change nor numberical cnage between 1:6, 1:14, and 1:20. Support your claim that there are three heavens.
2Cor 12:2 "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
LongGe123 said:
Question is though, even with all those dates and testimonies - what does it prove? So what if some guy called Noah DID build an arc and put a bunch of animals in it before a massive flood? It doesn't prove anything cosmically significant. If one were to make a connection between this evidence and the existence of God, then that would be an irrational leap of logic. Unless they find a tablet that says "I built this boat and filled it with animals because God told me to" and then another that says "I, God, give you, Noah, the privilege of advance warning before I kill everyone in the entire world because they wouldn't kiss my sandals. You can start building your boat to save you and your entire pious family you big suck up. Congratulations. Your pal, God", then I'm afraid it doesn't exactly show a great deal.
Begs the question: (from Spy Game)

"When did Noah build the Arc Lois?"

. . . . . .

"before the rain, BEFORE the rain"

So, seeing as weather prediction these days are about 80% accurate, and still not able to predict the weather far enough ahead to enable a family to HAND TOOL a giant wooden structure..........

And Heaven doesn't have Windows Painted Wolf.


They use Linux :biglaugh:
 

Fade

The Great Master Bates
I have seen with my own eyes, physical evidence for the existence of the Titanic. I have never seen evidence for the existence of the Ark. Therefore I believe that the Titanic was real and that the ark is just a myth. You may believe that the Ark exists but until you can provide evidence (credible evidence) for it I will assume you are deluded.
 

God is love

Active Member
These are additions to my Post
"The Arc was built by an amateur, the Titanic by professionals, evidence of Arc"
The information that I presented in the first Post was collected from a scientific study made into a documentary.

The follwing additions I found while viewing another documentary.

Some information is not in the former Post and information that is repeated has more details.

As in the previous Post that started this thread, I am quoting the documentary, word for word.

I want to add that I saw how many views this Post has had and I am glad that at least there is an interest in this Post.

Scientists have now confirmed that at this time, the time of Noah's Arc {when it is said to have occurred}, there was a tremendous cataclism that inundated Noah's world.
Flood deposits have been found by archealogists in Iraq that range from five to twelve feet thick, entire civilizations buried under mud and debris.

In 1931, the University of Pennsylvannia uncovered flood deposits in Iraq. They found conclusive proof that the entire city was destroyed by a giant flood.

An interesting side note that

There is a river by Mount Ararat that was named "River of the Arc" and a town nearby that was named "Koran" which translated is "Village of Noah". In armenia there was never a time when it was not known that the arc was on Mount Ararat.

An account of the flood of Noah that wasn't mentioned in the first Post was found by the British expedition in Iraq on a tablet. This account was written about 4000 years ago. It tells the story of the flood as told to King Gilgamesh. This king went to visit one of the survivor's of the flood, {his ancestor, as the world was repopulated through Noah's sons}, Noah, who was still alive at that time and who was living at the foot of the great mountain.

In 1872, another tablet was found by the British Museum, in the library of King Ashbanapel in Nineveh, Iraq. It tells a similar story of the flood.

Both these accounts tell the ship landed on top of a MOUNTAIN.

An accounting in 150 A.D
This is between the 30 B.C account of Nicholas of Damascus and the 1269 A.D account of Marco Polo mentioned in my first Post.

Flabeus Josephus, the Jewish historian, recorded that the Arc was still visible on Mount Ararat. He was told of those who had seen the vessel.

Near the year, 1000 A.D
a monk named Jacob came down from the mountain with timber from the Arc, afetr a life long quest.

As mentioned in my first Post, Marco Polo wrote of Noah's Arc on Mount Ararat in 1269 A.D. He wrote in his journal of the giant vessel being standed and difficult to get to.

Both documentaries mention the 1840 account
There was an earthquake. After the earthquake, Turkish authorities sent teams of workers up the mountain to build protective barriers against the avalanches. One team discovered part of an old ship in the northwest side of the mountain, sticking out of a glacier. They saw three large rooms and several stalls and cages.

In 1883,
This account is between the 1840 account of the Turkish teams and the 1902 account of an Armenian boy and his uncle, who pulled a piece oof the Arc that I mentioned in the first Post.
The Turkish government appointed a commission to investigate avalanches. They had been told that the Arc had been seen continually for the previous six years by the inhabitants on the mountain. They climbed the gorge and were led to the location of the Arc by the Kurdish guides. The Turkish crew discovered Noah's Arc sitting at the foot of a giant glacier. It's bow sticking out of the ice. They were able to explore many of the rooms. They reported stalls for animals and iron bars on some cages.

In 1892,
Prince of Nui, John Joseph and Arch Bishop of the Persia Nastorean church announced to the world parliament of religeons in Chicago that he led an expedition to Noah's Arc on Mount Ararat. He told of finding the Arc wedged between two outcroppings of rocks at the foot of the glacier. He measured it and found the ship's length is 500 feet. Half filled with snow and ice. He was able to explore over 300 rooms in the ship. Many with iron bars and cages.

Speaking of the measurement of 500 feet long,
it was measured to be 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. It's capacity would hold up to 522 railway freight cars. Modern ships are constructed in the design ratio of maritime designs.

Both documentaries mention that in the summer of 1916, Russian pilots flew over the mountain on a routine test flight. They saw the ship near a glacial pond sticking out of the glacier. One took the first photo ever of Noah's Arc. The photo and report were sent to the Tzar, Tzar Nicholas II.

He authorized the first scientific expedition. The Tzar ordered two companies of soldiers, a 150 soldiers and scientists, photographers and equipment to do measurements and photos, to research the Arc. They reached the Arc in the Winter of 1917. They found the ship sticking out of the glacier at the 14,000 elevation. It's bow and stern were sticking out over the ice. They photographed it and took samples of the timber for analysis, measured it, studied it and sent a courier {messenger} back to the Tzar with the report. There were hundreds of rooms, some had fences or cages. The pilot of the expedition immigrated to America and wrote of his discovery in the 1920's. It made the newspapers at that time.

In 1952,
the French industrialist and mountain climber, Fernan Nirvana, led an French expedition to Mount Ararat to find the Arc.

In the summer of 1974, at his home in Bourdeaux, France, he told producer, Bart LeRue of his nine expeditions to the mountain. The first time he went to the mountain was in 1952. To get permission to go up the mountain in the restricted military zone, the Turkish government insisted that he take along 100 of their troops and train them in mountain climbing. He eventually arrived at the location of the Arc of Noah. and brought some of the wood down with him. It was hand tooled timber. It was a type of Oak.

I think I should add here that there aren't any trees on Mount Ararat but there are pieces of wood in the shape of a ship. That people have brought from the Mount Ararat.

In 1969,
the Search Foundation left Istanbul Turkey to explore Mount Ararat. Hugo Newburger of the Artic Institute of North America accompanied Fernan Nivara and his son with a ton of scientific equipment and supplies as Fernan Nivara retraced his steps where he found wood in 1955. These experienced explorers composed the most qualified expedition to explore the mountain since the Russian expedition in 1916. They met with the kurdish porters in Ortelu, who would take them up the mountain. The U.S government had furnished materials and supplies. The team reached the site where Nivara had found timber 14 years before. They explored and probed the ice pack. They eventually found more timber. It was documentated bt a movie camera.

One theory of the cause of the flood is that at the time of Noah, a canopy of vapor surrounded the earth up until the time of the flood. The earth was like a hot house with an even temperature and lush plant life. All the water at that time came out of the ground from springs or condensed {overnight} dew. The canopy of vapor broke apart somehow {act of God} during the cataclism.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
The follwing additions I found while viewing another documentary.
Noahsark.com
....the videos of David Balsiger (The Quest for Noah's Ark and Ancient Mysteries), Rev. Ken Long on TBN, and Carl Baugh on Kenneth Copeland have been studied but there is no conclusive evidence for Noah's Ark. B.J. Corbin went to Ararat with Carl Baugh in 1990 and has spoken with Ken Long on the phone as well as has seen the photos of his area of interest. There is nothing that is convincing from either.


God is love said:
Scientists have now confirmed that at this time, the time of Noah's Arc {when it is said to have occurred}, there was a tremendous cataclism that inundated Noah's world.
Could you supply a reference for this scientific confirmation please?

Flood deposits have been found by archealogists in Iraq that range from five to twelve feet thick, entire civilizations buried under mud and debris.
In 1931, the University of Pennsylvannia uncovered flood deposits in Iraq. They found conclusive proof that the entire city was destroyed by a giant flood.
I believe you`re referencing Leonard Woolleys find.
It is by no means anything more than evidence of a local flood.

Initially, some assumed with great eagerness that the flood levels at Ur and Kish were identical and provided marvelous evidence for a historical kernel of the Genesis Flood story (Peake, 1930), but the enthusiasm could not be maintained. The level of the great flood at Ur was sandwiched between remains of the Al Ubaid cultural phase, the last purely prehistoric period of southern Mesopotamia, and a layer of debris from the early Protoliterate period.
NCSE Reference


An account of the flood of Noah that wasn't mentioned in the first Post was found by the British expedition in Iraq on a tablet. This account was written about 4000 years ago. It tells the story of the flood as told to King Gilgamesh. This king went to visit one of the survivor's of the flood, {his ancestor, as the world was repopulated through Noah's sons}, Noah, who was still alive at that time and who was living at the foot of the great mountain.
In 1872, another tablet was found by the British Museum, in the library of King Ashbanapel in Nineveh, Iraq. It tells a similar story of the flood.
The Deluge Tablet

The Epic of Gilgamesh is from Babylonia, dating from long after the time that king Gilgamesh was supposed to have ruled. It was based on earlier Sumerian legends of Gilgamesh. The most complete version of the epic was preserved on eleven clay tablets in the collection of the 7th century BC Assyrian king Ashurbanipal. It is considered to be the oldest story ever told.

The Epic of Gligamesh flood story pre-dates the Biblical flood and is considered to be the original "inspiration" for the story of Noah.

Flabeus Josephus, the Jewish historian, recorded that the Arc was still visible on Mount Ararat. He was told of those who had seen the vessel.
.....Marco Polo wrote of Noah's Arc on Mount Ararat in 1269 A.D. He wrote in his journal of the giant vessel being standed and difficult to get to.
Here is the "thing" described by Josephus, Polo, and others.

ark11.gif


Samples of this odd looking geographical outcropping tested in 2004 show it to be volcanic rock and NOT petrified timber
Wiki Reference

This seems to be a common geographical formation in the area as these photos below will attests to.
There are quite a few "boats" parked around Ararat.
http://anchorstone.com/newpics/ark01.jpg
http://www.najaco.com/literature/articles/august2001/pics/ark6.jpg

There was an earthquake. After the earthquake, Turkish authorities sent teams of workers up the mountain to build protective barriers against the avalanches. One team discovered part of an old ship in the northwest side of the mountain, sticking out of a glacier. They saw three large rooms and several stalls and cages.
Please supply some reference for this claim

The Turkish crew discovered Noah's Arc sitting at the foot of a giant glacier. It's bow sticking out of the ice. They were able to explore many of the rooms. They reported stalls for animals and iron bars on some cages.
Please supply a reference for this claim

In 1892, .......
Do you have a reference that is less than a century old?

Noahsarksearch.com
Nothing in the research since the 1940's or the explorers' hundred expeditions has proven "beyond a reasonable doubt" that Noah's Ark or it's remains have been discovered or that it has survived since the flood. NoahsArkSearch.com attempts to look at the legitimate claims and present them on this website but there is no proof, photo, or science to support the ark's survival thus far.

Both documentaries mention that in the summer of 1916, Russian pilots flew over the mountain on a routine test flight. They saw the ship near a glacial pond sticking out of the glacier. One took the first photo ever of Noah's Arc. The photo and report were sent to the Tzar, Tzar Nicholas II.
Please see photo above.

... The Tzar ordered two companies of soldiers, a 150 soldiers and scientists, photographers and equipment to do measurements and photos, to research the Arc. They reached the Arc in the Winter of 1917. They found the ship sticking out of the glacier at the 14,000 elevation. It's bow and stern were sticking out over the ice. They photographed it and took samples of the timber for analysis, measured it, studied it and sent a courier {messenger} back to the Tzar with the report. There were hundreds of rooms, some had fences or cages. The pilot of the expedition immigrated to America and wrote of his discovery in the 1920's. It made the newspapers at that time.
Please supply reference for this claim

In 1952,
the French industrialist and mountain climber, Fernan Nirvana, led an French expedition to Mount Ararat to find the Arc.

He eventually arrived at the location of the Arc of Noah. and brought some of the wood down with him.... It was hand tooled timber. It was a type of Oak.
Please supply reference for this claim


I think I should add here that there aren't any trees on Mount Ararat but there are pieces of wood in the shape of a ship. That people have brought from the Mount Ararat.
I think I should tell you there is no wood or trees on Ararat but there are some really odd geological formations.
This has been empirically evidenced and yet now where can I find solid reference that any of these wood sample you speak of actually exist anywhere.
It`s my opinion that anyone who believed they held a piece of Noahs Ark would have kept it safely yet none of the dozen or so who claim they had this wood have it now or know where it is.
Odd that.

They explored and probed the ice pack. They eventually found more timber. It was documentated bt a movie camera.
There is no timber on Ararat.
It has been systematically explored and geologically tested.
Again, where is this timber now?

One theory of the cause of the flood is that at the time of Noah, a canopy of vapor surrounded the earth up until the time of the flood. The earth was like a hot house with an even temperature and lush plant life. All the water at that time came out of the ground from springs or condensed {overnight} dew. The canopy of vapor broke apart somehow {act of God} during the cataclism.
Uhh..yeah, thats it.
 
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