Homosexuality in the Bible.

What is the fascination with homosexuality by some theists? Are they afraid that it can be caught from a toilet seat? I hope there are some old enough to get that.

beerisit said:

What is the fascination with homosexuality by some theists? Are they afraid that it can be caught from a toilet seat? I hope there are some old enough to get that.

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The church is the most sexually focused thing around. Lots of things they do is to do with who you can sleep with, when you can sleep with someone.

And the Catholic Church being a load of virgins telling people what they should do in their sexual life. And who with.
Bringing up the whole thing about the current Pope saying that condoms made AIDS worse.

I think I'm missing something in posts 22&23. WHAT?

Ragnarson98 said:

And the Catholic Church being a load of virgins telling people what they should do in their sexual life. And who with.
Bringing up the whole thing about the current Pope saying that condoms made AIDS worse.

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What makes you think that the Catholic Church has any virgins in it?

sojourner said:

There is nothing in the Bible dealing with homosexuality. Homosexuality is a sexual preference or orientation. The ancients knew nothing of sexual preference. They just didn't think in those terms. Heck, we didn't begin thinking in those terms until the last century. What the ancients were dealing with were acts that were seen as "abnormal." In the OT, those acts were committed by males, and were seen as acts of domination or subjugation.

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So it is your claim that there were no lesbians or homosexuals back in the OT days?

Mestemia said:

So it is your claim that there were no lesbians or homosexuals back in the OT days?

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Not known about maybe?

Ragnarson98 said:

Not known about maybe?

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More likely called by a different name...Abomination perhaps?

sojourner said:

There is nothing in the Bible dealing with homosexuality. Homosexuality is a sexual preference or orientation. The ancients knew nothing of sexual preference. They just didn't think in those terms. Heck, we didn't begin thinking in those terms until the last century. What the ancients were dealing with were acts that were seen as "abnormal." In the OT, those acts were committed by males, and were seen as acts of domination or subjugation.

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I agree with your point here. I see no evidence that any of the Bible writers understood sexual orientation. But I think you might be overstating it when you imply that no one in the ancient world had such an understanding.

sojourner said:

There is nothing in the Bible dealing with homosexuality. Homosexuality is a sexual preference or orientation. The ancients knew nothing of sexual preference. They just didn't think in those terms. Heck, we didn't begin thinking in those terms until the last century. What the ancients were dealing with were acts that were seen as "abnormal." In the OT, those acts were committed by males, and were seen as acts of domination or subjugation.

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just a thought...
having more than one wife was also considered normal...
perhaps it was more common practice to have sex with more than one women a ménage à trois...which is why there is no mention of the abomination of lesbian sex anywhere in the bible (from what i understand)

Sex: God, Gross, or Gift? | Mars Hill Church

That's a good vid. that deals with it.

Jude 1:5-7 the Lord, a people out of the land of Egypt having saved, again those who did not believe did destroy; messengers also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept, as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before -- an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering.

Genesis 19 Genesis 19 YLT - And two of the messengers come towards - Bible Gateway

1 Corinthians 6:9 Have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites.

Romans 1:25-27 who did change the truth of God into a falsehood, and did honour and serve the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed to the ages. Amen. Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature; and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving.

Definition of Biblical marriage, from the beginning:

Matthew 19:4-5 And he answering said to them, `Did ye not read, that He who made [them], from the beginning a male and a female made them, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they shall be -- the two -- for one flesh?

Judges 19:14-30 Judges 19:14-30 YLT - And they pass over, and go on, and the - Bible Gateway

Biblical marriage and acceptable sexual relation is always between male and female.

Mestemia said:

So it is your claim that there were no lesbians or homosexuals back in the OT days?

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No. My claim is simply that people were unaware that sexual preference could be an orientation. to them, homoerotic acts were "abominable," because, of course on one could be naturally attracted to one of the same sex. Today, we know that sexual orientation is part of the human psyche.

fantôme profane;2922774 said:

I agree with your point here. I see no evidence that any of the Bible writers understood sexual orientation. But I think you might be overstating it when you imply that no one in the ancient world had such an understanding.

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No one in the ancient world had a developed understanding of the human psyche. That really never happened until Freud. I'm sure people knew they were attracted to the same sex, but they didn't call it "same sex orientation." They simply saw what the birds and bees did, copied it, and when they felt attracted toward the same sex, they saw it as "abnormal."

waitasec said:

just a thought...
having more than one wife was also considered normal...
perhaps it was more common practice to have sex with more than one women a ménage à trois...which is why there is no mention of the abomination of lesbian sex anywhere in the bible (from what i understand)

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There's no mention of lesbian sex for a couple of reasons.
First, in the OT, it was the males who could be righteous. So any break of purity was male-oriented. It was the males who brought righteousness to the household.

Second, in that culture (and this ties in with the first point), honor was imbedded in male identity and shame was imbedded in female identity. So, to "take it like a woman" was for a man to act shamefully and, hence, betray his maleness.

sojourner said:

There's no mention of lesbian sex for a couple of reasons.
First, in the OT, it was the males who could be righteous. So any break of purity was male-oriented. It was the males who brought righteousness to the household.

Second, in that culture (and this ties in with the first point), honor was imbedded in male identity and shame was imbedded in female identity. So, to "take it like a woman" was for a man to act shamefully and, hence, betray his maleness.

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it was accepted....