terraflata said:
And to why do you assume that the Son is Jesus and the Father is God. Interpitation is key here.
Terra Flata
Well, how do you interpret that scripture? Besides, there are thousands of verses i can use. Consider the following.
After they had withdrawn, look! Jehovahs angel appeared in a dream to Joseph, saying: Get up, take the young child and its mother and flee into Egypt, and stay there until I give you word; for Herod is about to search for the young child to destroy it.
14 So he got up and took along the young child and its mother by night and withdrew into Egypt,
15 and he stayed there until the decease of Herod, for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: Out of Egypt I called my son.
Notice.."....jehovah through his prophet, saying "Out of Egypt I called MY SON'
After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove Gods spirit coming upon him.
17 Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said:
This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.
Would you like to give your own interpretations of these scriptures, or are they not already clear enough?
Jesus showed that he was a creature separate from God and that he, Jesus, had a God above him, a God whom he worshiped, a God whom he called "Father." In prayer to God, that is, the Father,
Jesus said, "You, the only true God." (
John 17:3) At
John 20:17 he said to Mary Magdalene:
"I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." (
RS, Catholic edition) At
2 Corinthians 1:3 the apostle Paul confirms this relationship:
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Since Jesus
had a God, his Father, he could not at the same time
be that God.
The apostle Paul had no reservations about speaking of Jesus and God as distinctly separate:
"For us there is one God, the Father, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ." (
1 Corinthians 8:6,
JB)
Jesus' own prayers are a powerful example of his inferior position. When Jesus was about to die, he showed who his superior was by praying:
"Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place." (
Luke 22:42) To whom was he praying? To a part of himself? No, he was praying to someone entirely separate, his Father, God, whose will was superior and could be different from his own, the only One able to "remove this cup."
Why would God pray to himself? Can you give me a reasonable explanation?
Then, as he neared death,
Jesus cried out: "My God, my God, why have you deserted me?" (
Mark 15:34,
JB) To whom was Jesus crying out? To himself or to part of himself? Surely, that cry, "My God," was not from someone who considered himself to be God. And if Jesus were God, then by whom was he deserted? Himself? That would not make sense. Jesus also said:
"Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit." (
Luke 23:46) If Jesus were God, for what reason should he entrust his spirit to the Father?
WHEN Jesus gave his prophecy about the end of this system of things, he stated:
"But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (
Mark 13:32,
RS, Catholic edition) Had Jesus been the equal Son part of a Godhead, he would have known what the Father knows. But Jesus did not know, for he was not equal to God.
Another few points.
1. God cannot be seen. Jesus was seen
2. God cannot die. Jesus died.
3. At
MATTHEW 4:1, Jesus is spoken of as being "tempted by the Devil." After showing Jesus "all the kingdoms of the world and their glory," Satan said: "All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me." (
Matthew 4:8, 9) Satan was trying to cause Jesus to be disloyal to God.
But what test of loyalty would that be if Jesus were God? Could God rebel against himself? No, but angels and humans could rebel against God and did. The temptation of Jesus would make sense only if he was, not God, but a separate individual who had his own free will, one who could have been disloyal had he chosen to be, such as an angel or a human.
Do you need any more scriptures?