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"Immoral Sex Acts Taught In Elementary School?"

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
It just seems to me like the whole "homosexual agenda" thing all over again.

Step 1. Get homosexuals in the schools

Step 2. ...........................

Step 3. WORLD DOMINATION.

It's just ridiculous even for them.

At my private xtian highschool, the principal came and gave us a talk about sex which included homosexuality and anal sex. He wasn't all "homosexuality is bad mmkay" but he did point out the possible health risks of anal sex.
 

Duck

Well-Known Member
It just seems to me like the whole "homosexual agenda" thing all over again.

Step 1. Get homosexuals in the schools

Step 2. ...........................

Step 3. WORLD DOMINATION.

It's just ridiculous even for them.

At my private xtian highschool, the principal came and gave us a talk about sex which included homosexuality and anal sex. He wasn't all "homosexuality is bad mmkay" but he did point out the possible health risks of anal sex.

Did he also point out the possible health risks associated with vaginal sex as well, or did he only single out the form of sex that is most often associated with gay men, and the actual focus of the right wing?

EDIT: Actually that should read "the obsessive focus of the right wing?"
 

apophenia

Well-Known Member
What responsible parent would A) allow their pre-teen child to surf the web unsupervised? B) watch a "family sitcom" that mentions anal sex?

Parenting has changed a WHOLE lot for the worse if parents today commonly do any such thing as allow their children unsupervised access to the net, not to mention unsupervised tv watching.

Are you serious ? Do you remember being a kid ? When smartphones and iPads and laptops are everywhere, do you seriously think that parents can control what access their kids have ? If you believe that then you are not in the real world IMO. And I doubt that many parents prevent their kids from watching family sit-coms.


If parents and teachers don't discuss all this with kids, web porn will be the defacto standard for sex education

Perhaps so, which makes getting sex info from your friends seem relatively harmless.

Now you are saying 'perhaps so ...' (in response to -"web porn will be the defacto standard for sex education ", which is opposite to your first response above (more realistic though).

Your response, especially in the light of there being no discussion of web porn in this thread, is a good indicator that people generally are either ignorant or in denial that web porn is setting the standard now for sexuality.



Here are some significant facts -

Source - Internet Pornography Statistics - TopTenREVIEWS

According to compiled numbers from respected news and research organizations, every second $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography. Every second 28,258 internet users are viewing pornography. In that same second 372 internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines. Every 39 minutes a new pornographic video is being created in the U.S.
It’s big business. The pornography industry has larger revenues than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined. 2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues ballooned to $97.06 billion.

Average age of first Internet exposure to pornography11 years old

Largest consumer of Internet pornography35 - 49 age group

15-17 year olds having multiple hard-core exposures80%

8-16 year olds having viewed porn online90% (most while doing homework)


Telling me that kids aren't exposed to web porn is like telling me that 12-15 year olds are not having sex !
It is either denial or ignorance.

Or perhaps guilt - the figures show that the age group which consumes the most porn is tha age group of the parents of teenagers.

I am not making any moral judgements about web porn here, but if all you people think that kids get their info about sex from parents and school, you are dreaming. Just like the previous generation did not want to accept that young teens are sexually active.

If parents and teachers do not discuss web porn with kids, they are just being unrealistic .
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
Exactly. What's a kid doing with a $500 iPad and a $300 smartphone anyway?

Apophenia has a good point about the amount of information out there, but parents don't have to just give up or make it easy for them. There were seedy parts of town, strip clubs, liquor and porn magazines when I was a kid in the 50's and 60's, but my parents didn't give me a ride to any of them or buy them for me.

OTOH, the point about educating one's children, both at home and at school should be a good barrier of protection for children so they won't be totally ignorant when they run into such things.
 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Why is exposure to sexual content undesirable in children? It's we adults that place sex in a taboo category. It's we adults that are shocked at it. Children aren't disturbed by it at all -- unless we teach them to be.
 
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apophenia

Well-Known Member
No, responsibility. My son is 10. He doesn't get unsupervised access. Simple as that.

You cannot monitor him 24/7. I assume you do not keep him locked in his room. He has friends and acquaintances. He will have access to whatever he and his friends want access to.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
You cannot monitor him 24/7. I assume you do not keep him locked in his room. He has friends and acquaintances. He will have access to whatever he and his friends want access to.
:facepalm: I think I can outfox a 10 year old, thanks.

That said, I don't attempt to keep him ignorant.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
I don't believe that an adult can actually consider a sitcom that mentions anal sex casually appropriate for a pre-teen kid to watch!

I'm not so naive as to think that kids won't find out about whatever they want to know behind their parents' backs if they intend to, but saying that kids all have unrestricted access to the internet or should have is just indicative of how irresponsible some people are about supervising their kids adequately.

I commend you, Storm, for being conscientious enough about your responsibility as a parent to limit your child/children's access to information sources that a 10-year-old isn't mature enough to get into. We wouldn't have a lot of the problems we do with kids growing up much too fast and getting involved in things they can't begin to handle if more parents had your attitude.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I don't believe that an adult can actually consider a sitcom that mentions anal sex casually appropriate for a pre-teen kid to watch!

I'm not so naive as to think that kids won't find out about whatever they want to know behind their parents' backs if they intend to, but saying that kids all have unrestricted access to the internet or should have is just indicative of how irresponsible some people are about supervising their kids adequately.

I commend you, Storm, for being conscientious enough about your responsibility as a parent to limit your child/children's access to information sources that a 10-year-old isn't mature enough to get into. We wouldn't have a lot of the problems we do with kids growing up much too fast and getting involved in things they can't begin to handle if more parents had your attitude.
Thank you.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
Why is exposure to sexual content undesirable in children? It's we adults that place sex in a taboo category. It's we adults that are shocked at it. Children aren't disturbed by it at all -- unless we teach them to be.

Wanta bet? Tell a five-year-old what all the kid's parents like to do together in bed in graphic detail, and you'll see how undisturbed by the information a child that young can be.

There is such a thing as mental and emotional maturity, and age-appropriate information isn't simply a ploy adults who are ashamed or embarrassed about sex use to keep kids ignorant.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Three boys. One girl. All teens or fully grown adults. And we filtered our content on all our internet portals, and when they were old enough to work, they finally got phones.

And they have / had friends who have shown them some content that even made Steve and I blush (well not really, but it did raise an eyebrow).

This brings me back to the debate about where kids generally get their information about sex....

It's older siblings and peers.

It was true when we were kids and it remains true to this day. Parents can parent their hearts out, and they're still going to find out information on sex from peers whether we like it or not. It's up to us as a culture to ensure that prevailing discussions among our youth are factual or not.
 

apophenia

Well-Known Member
:facepalm: I think I can outfox a 10 year old, thanks.

That said, I don't attempt to keep him ignorant.

Facepalm right back at ya.

You may 'outfox' a 10 year old, but there's 11, 12, 13 ....

My point is that web porn is freely available, and you cannot prevent your child from accessing it. So your boy will eventually be viewing it. The belief that you can 'outfox' him is naive in the extreme. Do you intend to 'outfox' his entire peer group ? How can you prevent acces to the web ? You can't. Do you remember being 12, 13, 14 ? Could your parents always outfox you ? Get real. There are zillions of computers and phones out there.

You are making my point clearly though - there is an elephant in the room as far as sex ed goes, and parents are responding with denial and avoidance. Not surprising really, because there does not seem to be any answer to it. One way or another, kids will work out how to access anything, so you need to be thinking about how you will discuss all those online sexual offerings fairly soon (years fly past ...), or decide now to say nothing about it and see what happens.

My mother thought she could outfox me when I was a kid too. LOL

So what does " I don't attempt to keep him ignorant" mean, in relation to web porn ?

When is a good age to discuss BDSM, anal sex and gangbangs ?

Should all these sexual choices be discussed in schools ? An important point here is that the teachers didn't have access to that kind of material when they were 11 (nor did most parents), so they have no idea how the kids will react to it. No-one does, yet. It is a social experiment; not even intentional, so experiment is not the right word - we have no idea how this will affect human sexual relationships at this point.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
Do you remember being 12, 13, 14 ? Could your parents always outfox you ? Get real. There are zillions of computers and phones out there.

Must be a foreign concept altogether to you that some kids know their parents care about them and want them to grow up well. Such kids respect that and more often than not respect and love their parents enough that they will not do things behind their parents' backs that they've been told they shouldn't.

Should all these sexual choices be discussed in schools ?

BDSM, anal sex and gangbangs?

Gangbangs, high school level, I'd say, because such an ambush could easily happen among teenagers.

BDSM...forget it. That is something that parents can tell their kids about if they feel it appropriate or necessary. Not sure but what that might be far too much for any but extremely worldly teenagers to have the maturity to comprehend and handle the idea that people can actually want to do such things.

Anal sex...likely also high school age since some teens use that so that young women will technically still be virginal.

An important point here is that the teachers didn't have access to that kind of material when they were 11 (nor did most parents), so they have no idea how the kids will react to it. No-one does, yet.

Oh, horse hockey! Do you actually think that no psychological assessments have ever been done to establish what information can be processed and understood by children at various age levels? There's plenty of research and advice for parents or teachers about what information is most suitable at which ages given what child development research has shown kids can handle.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
and parents are responding with denial and avoidance. Not surprising really, because there does not seem to be any answer to it. One way or another, kids will work out how to access anything, so you need to be thinking about how you will discuss all those online sexual offerings fairly soon (years fly past ...), or decide now to say nothing about it and see what happens.
Yeeeeeeeeeeah, we already have. Nice assumption, though.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
People, parenting is about guidance not complete control.

Where has anyone suggested that attempting to control your children completely would be at all appropriate?

However, until a child is old enough to take on more responsibility, parental guidance often involves keeping the child from access to things considered dangerous or too mature for the child's maturity level. We wouldn't let a five-year-old drive a car or use the kitchen stove unsupervised, so why does it make sense to allow unlimited access to tv or the net to older children?
 
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