"Immoral Sex Acts Taught In Elementary School?"

The only stipulation regarding homeschool teacher qualifications is that the teacher be "competent" according to Kansas state law. There is no oversight and no attempt to evaluate a homeschool teacher's competence, which basically ensures that some real morons are homeschooling...with documentation that theirs is a "certified" homeschool.

All it takes in Kansas to acquire that certification is to report to the appropriate state office the name of the homeschool, its address and similar basic information.

HerDotness said:

You don't think it's important for students to learn that there are homosexuals and what that means? There may be gay students among them, or fellow students who are children of homosexual couples.

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that is going beyond the area of physical education. And honestly, kids know what homosexuality is about...its fairly prevalent in society and its prevalent on many television shows kids watch. so they know what homosexuality is.

the teachers do not need to demonstrate what it means to them.

Then, Australian five and six-year-olds must be far more worldlywise than a good many American kids that age.

There has been immense uproar in the U.S. over any mention whatsoever of the fact that a classmate has same-sex parents and why that is so.

The outrage over lower-grade teachers reading aloud and discussing the book, Heather Has Two Mommies, has reached the point of combustion oftentimes.

HerDotness said:

The only stipulation regarding homeschool teacher qualifications is that the teacher be "competent" according to Kansas state law. There is no oversight and no attempt to evaluate a homeschool teacher's competence, which basically ensures that some real morons are homeschooling...with documentation that theirs is a "certified" homeschool.

All it takes in Kansas to acquire that certification is to report to the appropriate state office the name of the homeschool, its address and similar basic information.

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we have homeschooling here in australia, but the homeschoolers association provides parents with a set curriculum approved by the state board of education. So it includes most of what is taught in state schools. And kids who are homeschooled can also sit for the same tests that the kids in state schools sit for to get certified.

Is there any assessment of teacher competence?

That there is a set curriculum is certainly more sensible than the homeschooling laws in Kansas. I'm not familiar with those of other states, but Kansas law stipulates only that there must be some kind of curriculum with scheduling of subjects, that the homeschool's school year must be as long in time taught as is required for public schools and that there must be periodic testing of students.

I highly doubt that any enforcement of these stipulations is ever done which is why so many homeschools in my former homestate are a joke and a travesty.

HerDotness said:

Is there any assessment of teacher competence?

That there is a set curriculum is certainly more sensible than the homeschooling laws in Kansas. I'm not familiar with those of other states, but Kansas law stipulates only that there must be some kind of curriculum with scheduling of subjects, that the homeschool's school year must be as long in time taught as is required for public schools and that there must be periodic testing of students.

I highly doubt that any enforcement of these stipulations is ever done which is why so many homeschools in my former homestate are a joke and a travesty.

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i dont believe a parent is expected to meet a level of competency to home school their kids, no. But parents dont have to create their own curriculum, they can use the one provided by the school board.

So, that means then that a parent may use whatever other curriculum is preferred?

If so, that would negate somewhat my feeling that Australian homeschooling is better regulated.

HerDotness said:

So, that means then that a parent may use whatever other curriculum is preferred?

If so, that would negate somewhat my feeling that Australian homeschooling is better regulated.

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if a home school kid wants to do the yearly exams, they have to go by the curriculum of the school board...most homeshooled kids (from what i understand) do their Yr12 higher school certificate. That is the highest level of school education in australia. So to do that certificate, they would need to follow the curriculum of the school board.

i dont personally know of any kids who have been homeschooled, but i did look into it some years ago and parents were to deal with the education department directly if they wanted to home school. Basically it is illegal not to send your kids to school in australia, so to homeschool you had to do it through the education department. they have a special department set up to manage homeschooling.

Kids need sex ed class.

that´s the reality. Not giving them sex ed class, is making them weak by ignorance. Weask to disease and weak to desinformation, etc.

Desinformation is incredibly dangerous, if they know they cant turn to their parents... well, dont wanna know the number of pregnancies and VHDs over that.

Noone has mentioned web porn yet. The issue of sex education has recently changed ... one report I heard recently suggested that the typical age of first viewing web porn is 11.

The influence of web porn is not to be underestimated. Someone earlier mentioned the prevalence of rectal gonorrhea in some communities. This will probably be a major trend shortly. Anal sex has come to be seen as virtually fundamental. Even family sit-coms like '2 1/2 Men' treat anal sex as if it is the best, a special treat that all men should expect from their girlfriends. Certainly that is how Charlie Sheen portrayed it.

This is not because anal sex has always been universally popular, it is because the porn models get paid double for anal penetration, and that has resulted in the practice appearing as almost fundamental to sexuality.This then shapes expectations. This is just one example of how web porn is reshaping sexual mores.


So your 11 year-old is probably looking at porn on the web, and assuming that this is ordinary human sexuality being portrayed. This effectively means that web porn will define human sexuality for the next generation. The 'Are You Over 18' button is all the kids need to press.

The typical progression for web porn users is an escalation of the level of 'kinkiness' (for want of a better word) over time, and that is catered for. A kid viewing web porn now will get the impression that sex is basically a physical event, and that anal sex and gangbangs and BDSM are the options on the menu. The notions of intimacy and communication are not included in the visual world of web porn.

If parents and teachers don't discuss all this with kids, web porn will be the defacto standard for sex education.

Is their anything backing the fundamentalist assertion that the teachers are going to say ANYTHING about homosexuality?

Quaxotic said:

Is their anything backing the fundamentalist assertion that the teachers are going to say ANYTHING about homosexuality?

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The Fundamentalists, regardless of flavor, are like other extremists who say "You're either with us or against us!"

Simply not condemning homosexuality is enough for the Fundamentalists to condemn teachers, the school system and anyone else who doesn't believe exactly as they do.

In their eyes I am a heathen, heretic and a blasphemer. They see no difference between me, an atheist or a Satanist because, in their world, either you are a hard-line Fundamentalist Christian or you are doomed to burn in Hell with the other heathens.

Quaxotic said:

Is their anything backing the fundamentalist assertion that the teachers are going to say ANYTHING about homosexuality?

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In Norway homosexuality is mentioned in a casual 'just so' manner where it is simply noted that some people fall in love with people of the same sex.
In the textbook we use this topic takes up maybe half a page in a 30 page chapter.

Then again, homosexuality is not that big a deal in Norway and same-sex marriage is not only allowed but was even recently endorsed by the conservative (they probably wouldn't be considered conservative in the US) Christian party.

Taking into account that I have never heard a rational argument (and I've tried) against same-sex marriage, I am forced to include this as one of the things that certain people are simply wrong about, and that there isn't a debate to be had.

apophenia said:

Noone has mentioned web porn yet. The issue of sex education has recently changed ... one report I heard recently suggested that the typical age of first viewing web porn is 11.

The influence of web porn is not to be underestimated. Someone earlier mentioned the prevalence of rectal gonorrhea in some communities. This will probably be a major trend shortly. Anal sex has come to be seen as virtually fundamental. Even family sit-coms like '2 1/2 Men' treat anal sex as if it is the best, a special treat that all men should expect from their girlfriends. Certainly that is how Charlie Sheen portrayed it.

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What responsible parent would A) allow their pre-teen child to surf the web unsupervised? B) watch a "family sitcom" that mentions anal sex?

Parenting has changed a WHOLE lot for the worse if parents today commonly do any such thing as allow their children unsupervised access to the net, not to mention unsupervised tv watching.

If parents and teachers don't discuss all this with kids, web porn will be the defacto standard for sex education.

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Perhaps so, which makes getting sex info from your friends seem relatively harmless.

Pegg said:

im sorry that you found my comment offensive, but the reality is that just being a teacher does not make one better equipped or qualified to teach my children about sex.

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They're trained, educated professionals. So yes, yes it does make them equipped and qualified.

I find it offensive when teachers assume the responsibility of a parent over children who are not their own.

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There are far too many incompetent parents out there who burden the rest of society with their lil' mouth breathers. A standard needs to be established for the children's sake.

Quaxotic said:

Is their anything backing the fundamentalist assertion that the teachers are going to say ANYTHING about homosexuality?

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Yes, there is actually.

A number of American public school sex ed programs do explain at least basically what homosexuality is, in part because students may know another student with same-sex parents but also because there's a growing awareness of the need to help students wondering about their own orientation.

Fundamentalist Christians I've talked to were adamant that homosexuality not be mentioned at all in a sex ed class ("My kids don't need to know about anything that God tells us is a serious sin.") or if it was, only as a perversion because clearly heterosexual sex that can result in procreation is the only God-approved variety.

Some Americans are really adamant about not appearing to acknowledge at all that homosexual couples have and raise children. I'll never forget the poignant posting on another religious forum by a lesbian mother who spoke about how wonderfully welcome she felt when her elementary school child's teacher pointedly introduced her spouse of over a decade as "and this is Mrs. Smith's friend, Mrs. Jones" at a parent-teacher gathering. The teacher knew full well that the two women were a longterm, committed couple.

Pegg said:

biology is fine, physical education is fine

but this thread is about homosexuality meaning sexual acts .... its not simply about physical education. I remember my sex education classes at school being about reproduction. Homosexuality does not lead to reproduction, therefore it is not simply about biology.

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And once again, the existence of LGBT people as a whole are reduced to nothing but who puts what where. Why am I not surprised by this?

MysticSang'ha said:

It is about biology. Reproduction is only a part of human sexuality.

May I ask what is the education you would wish for your children on sex?

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Likely it is have sex only to have kids after you are married, and daughter of mine you aren't supposed to enjoy it, it is a chore you as a good christian must suffer through to please your husband. Oh, and to make babies, god hates ****.

Pegg said:

im sorry that you found my comment offensive, but the reality is that just being a teacher does not make one better equipped or qualified to teach my children about sex.

I find it offensive when teachers assume the responsibility of a parent over children who are not their own.

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That is kind of the whole point of the educational system. Teachers by virtue of their training, (dare I say it) education, and knowledge ARE better equipped and qualified to teach your children about many topics including sex. By sending your children to a school, public or private, you are GIVING responsibility of your child over to that person.

Duck said:

That is kind of the whole point of the educational system. Teachers by virtue of their training, (dare I say it) education, and knowledge ARE better equipped and qualified to teach your children about many topics including sex. By sending your children to a school, public or private, you are GIVING responsibility of your child over to that person.

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Thank you.