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Founders wanted a Christian America.

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Simbagraphix

Member
If you look into American history you will find, and this is something Americans also believe, that the nation's founders held the core beliefs and wrote Christianity into the Constitution, and America was founded on Christian principals. So for the courts or the Legeslative branch or the Excutive Branch which is POTUS or President in this case Obama, try to say different or try to force you against your religious principles as they are trying with the abortion issue now is Un-American and against what the founding fathers envisioned.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I prefer: a self-serving lie that assumes a stupid willful ignorance in order to perpetuate itself.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
It's incorrect to call the founding fathers Christian or that they wanted a Christian country. Theistic? Sure...but they had constituents to respond to that they happily obliged. Even if it meant states were run by a single religion.
 
fallingblood

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Simbagraphix said:
If you look into American history you will find, and this is something Americans also believe, that the nation's founders held the core beliefs and wrote Christianity into the Constitution, and America was founded on Christian principals. So for the courts or the Legeslative branch or the Excutive Branch which is POTUS or President in this case Obama, try to say different or try to force you against your religious principles as they are trying with the abortion issue now is Un-American and against what the founding fathers envisioned.
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I would suggest George M. Marsden's book, Religion and American Culture. Or even Kathleen D. McCarthy's book American Creed.

To sum up, no.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
fallingblood said:
I would suggest George M. Marsden's book, Religion and American Culture. Or even Kathleen D. McCarthy's book American Creed.

To sum up, no.
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You know what?

Sometimes a book is the answer - sometimes it's not. :D

Remember that when you're a prof. hahaha
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Wasnt it the church of England one of the reasons for getting the hell out of dodge in the first place?
 
Wannabe Yogi

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
Simbagraphix said:
If you look into American history you will find, and this is something Americans also believe, that the nation's founders held the core beliefs and wrote Christianity into the Constitution, and America was founded on Christian principals.
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My respectful questions are as follows:

-Just because a bunch of guys want something how does that make it right ?
-Did they not also clear the way for slaves, does this not limit their moral authority?
-We changed things like only rich white guys could vote why should we not change Christian country part if it is true? (I personally dont believe they wanted a christian goverment)
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Simbagraphix said:
If you look into American history you will find, and this is something Americans also believe, that the nation's founders held the core beliefs and wrote Christianity into the Constitution, and America was founded on Christian principals. So for the courts or the Legeslative branch or the Excutive Branch which is POTUS or President in this case Obama, try to say different or try to force you against your religious principles as they are trying with the abortion issue now is Un-American and against what the founding fathers envisioned.
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This isn't really true. There is "separation of church and state" for a reason. If the founders had wanted a "Christian nation" then a central church would have been part of the government.
 
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HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
Simbagraphix said:
If you look into American history you will find, and this is something Americans also believe, that the nation's founders held the core beliefs and wrote Christianity into the Constitution...
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A) No, Americans do not by any means believe that the nation's founders held Christian beliefs. Some did, while others did not. That most did isn't the least bit odd since it was social and political suicide at the time of the drafting of the Constitution to make public that you weren't Christian. SOME Americans insist that the Founding Fathers were Christians who intended the country to run on Christian principles and values.

B) You're going to have to quote specifically where the Constitution says anything whatsoever that can be taken as Christian. Where exactly did they "write Christianity into the Constitution"? There isn't even any mention of Jesus in the Declaration of Independence, which I'm guessing you've confused with the Constitution since it does mention "[our] Creator" and "Nature's God," not that these terms necessarily mean the Christian God.

In fact, it's somewhat more likely that the FF's chose these two terms because they were thought ones that wouldn't contradict the beliefs of deists or Christians either one.
 
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Levite

Levite

Higher and Higher
HerDotness said:
A) No, Americans do not by any means believe that the nation's founders held Christian beliefs. Some did, while others did not. That most did isn't the least bit odd since it was social and political suicide at the time of the drafting of the Constitution to make public that you weren't Christian. SOME Americans insist that the Founding Fathers were Christians who intended the country to run on Christian principles and values.

B) You're going to have to quote specifically where the Constitution says anything whatsoever that can be taken as Christian. Where exactly did they "write Christianity into the Constitution"? There isn't even any mention of Jesus in the Declaration of Independence, which I'm guessing you've confused with the Constitution since it does mention "[our] Creator" and "Nature's God," not that these terms necessarily mean the Christian God.

In fact, it's somewhat more likely that the FF's chose these two terms because they were thought ones that wouldn't contradict the beliefs of deists or Christians either one.
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This. Seriously.
 
elmarna

elmarna

Well-Known Member
The basis of our country was formed on principals to grant the peoples a way to live with rights,opertunities, and freedooms. While our governing body was adopted from algonquin structure (non christian) and our ways to promote a world free from prosecution. I do not feel they were calling upon a total christian nation.
In the total our country did struggle and strive to the ideals it was founded on!
 
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InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
I am ignorant of whether or not the founders did want such a thing - but simply said, I am also indifferent to it. Does it matter if two hundred and twenty years ago a group of fifty people were christian? Isn't it more important what the 310 million people who are living there today want?
 
Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
GabrielWithoutWings said:
You may want to review the text of the Treaty of Tripoli 1796 as well.
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Article 11 is the relevant part of the treaty:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

This treaty passed the US Congress by unanimous vote and was signed by President John Adams.
 
Viker

Viker

Häxan
I think it's obvious that they had already seen it as having a great many of Christians and this influenced quite a bit of what was going on then. It's also obvious that they intended on a universal and united secular republic. It's not difficult to see this and not at all hard to pull it off.
 
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