Order of Values

lunamoth · May 6, 2012

What order of priority would you assign to these three values: law, logic and love?

(I put them alphabetically here to avoid bias.)

For the one you give highest priority, why is it most important?

Pegg · May 6, 2012

I would say love is the highest priority because it governs ones behavior.

ChristineES · May 6, 2012

Love is the highest. As the quote goes "Love covers a multitude of sins".

Twig pentagram · May 6, 2012

#1-Logic; I think It's the most nessecary for survival.

#2-Love; I think It's the most beautiful of all emotions and it can also be the most
dangerous.

#3-Law; People that live by a code usually prosper more than people that dont.

elmarna · May 7, 2012

#1 Love - it is a emotion that oppses hate.
#2 I am not sure I would say "logic." I prefer "reason."
To have a goon reason and good reasoning ablilties ia a asset.
#3 Laws - it is good to have everyone considering a code or guidelines. It takes away confusion and doubt about the others around you!

dawny0826 · May 7, 2012

lunamoth said:
What order of priority would you assign to these three values: law, logic and love?

(I put them alphabetically here to avoid bias.)

For the one you give highest priority, why is it most important?

Love
Law
Logic

I only place law after love, as I believe, from a biblical perspective, that when you love, you fulfill the law to the fullest.

PolyHedral · May 7, 2012

Love is not always a good idea (as dictated by logic) and correct laws will only ever be shortcuts and summaries of that which is derived from logic.

Gjallarhorn · May 7, 2012

lunamoth said:
What order of priority would you assign to these three values: law, logic and love?

(I put them alphabetically here to avoid bias.)

For the one you give highest priority, why is it most important?

Assuming you mean law as in societal law, logic first, then love, then law.

LegionOnomaMoi · May 7, 2012

lunamoth said:
What order of priority would you assign to these three values: law, logic and love?

(I put them alphabetically here to avoid bias.)

For the one you give highest priority, why is it most important?

Rationality and love are often in conflict, whereas laws and logic ideally go hand in hand. It doesn't matter what order of priority I would assign. Having been in love, I know I can assign logic and law whatever I priority I wish, but, when it comes down to it, I'll throw both out the window for her.

sayak83 · May 7, 2012

1) logic (as a methodology to gaining knowledge)
2) love (as an emotion critical to human co-existence)
3) law (social laws that make civilizations function)

4consideration · May 7, 2012

1. Love (It supports workability -- respects unity, kindness, justice, etc.) This requires a definition of Love that includes love being that which desires and supports the well-being of all. (It does not work with a purely emotional/feel good definition of love.)

2. Logic (It supports the formulation of practical, workable solutions to real-life problems.) IMO it is necessary for Logic to be applied to a foundation of principles that consider the well-being of all for the solutions to be workable and beneficial.

3. Law. These are specific agreements based upon guidelines for human action that have been found/agreed upon to contain the best possible potential for the best possible outcome for all. (IMO the fewer laws needed to accomplish this the better. That way there is the greater chance of personal freedom to live as one chooses -- provided one's choice of action does not extend into the realm of causing injury to another, or violating the rights of another.)

edit: Oops, forgot to say why I chose Love as #1. IMO the purpose of law is to support the well-being of the individual and the community by creating an enviornment in which both the individual and the community are served by commonly held agreements. Otherwise, what justification would there be for even having such a thing as law? Love must come first, IMO, because it is the best foundation for laws.

tumbleweed41 · May 7, 2012

Logic (Reason)
Love (Empathy)
Law (Societal Whims)

1137 · May 7, 2012

lunamoth said:
What order of priority would you assign to these three values: law, logic and love?

(I put them alphabetically here to avoid bias.)

For the one you give highest priority, why is it most important?

I would say that the highest priority is logic. Logic is the foundation of almost everything. Without logic we are just bumbling blindly through a thick fog without really any idea what is going on.
Second would be love, as it is a personal feeling. Love is really subjective, it is caused by chemical reactions in our brain which are hard to control, but still possible.
Law comes last, as it is completely subjective and dependent on the beliefs of the highest ranking people.

CarlinKnew · May 7, 2012

I'd say love is the result of logical rules coded into the brain like, "when x happens, release chemical y into the bloodstream" resulting in the experience of love. Since I think love and law can be understood with logic, logic comes first.

ChristineES · May 7, 2012

elmarna said:
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#2 I am not sure I would say "logic." I prefer "reason."

I agree with this. Logic by itself doesn't seem like a good idea- we need a combination of logic and emotion (doesn't necessarily need an equal balance)- which would be better for reasoning. We are emotional creatures.

LegionOnomaMoi · May 7, 2012

CarlinKnew said:
I'd say love is the result of logical rules coded into the brain like, "when x happens, release chemical y into the bloodstream" resulting in the experience of love. Since I think love and law can be understood with logic, logic comes first.

Let's grant that we could construct an algorithmic model which accurately represents what happens in the brain or in practice in terms of stimuli, thought, behaviour, and love. Does the capacity to construct a simulation entail an understanding of the experience? By way of (an extreme) example, we have a pretty decent understanding of how the body responds to noxious stimuli. Let's say it was even better, such that I could tell you exactly how my body would respond if you were to slowly sear/cook me to death (held against a tower in which a fire was lit, or within a metal container outside of which a fire was lit). What would such a model tell you about such an experience? Would not the mere experience of a bad sunburn enable you to understand the pain involved in such a death far better than any logical model of neurochemical/biophysical reactions?

In other words, I'm not sure how much reducing experiences or emotions to formal models really helps us to understand them, even if it is possible. Maybe that's just my bias (after all, I'm a neuroscientist who thinks that Shakespeare, Yeats, Aline Kilmer, etc., explain love far better than Buss, Thornhill, Damasio, Pinker, etc.).

PolyHedral · May 7, 2012

LegionOnomaMoi said:
Let's grant that we could construct an algorithmic model which accurately represents what happens in the brain or in practice in terms of stimuli, thought, behaviour, and love. Does the capacity to construct a simulation entail an understanding of the experience? By way of (an extreme) example, we have a pretty decent understanding of how the body responds to noxious stimuli. Let's say it was even better, such that I could tell you exactly how my body would respond if you were to slowly sear/cook me to death (held against a tower in which a fire was lit, or within a metal container outside of which a fire was lit). What would such a model tell you about such an experience? Would not the mere experience of a bad sunburn enable you to understand the pain involved in such a death far better than any logical model of neurochemical/biophysical reactions?

In other words, I'm not sure how much reducing experiences or emotions to formal models really helps us to understand them, even if it is possible. Maybe that's just my bias (after all, I'm a neuroscientist who thinks that Shakespeare, Yeats, Aline Kilmer, etc., explain love far better than Buss, Thornhill, Damasio, Pinker, etc.).

This is only true because we can't translate biochemistry into minds. If you could construct a model of how a person feels (in the same way that you know how someone feels if you watch them in a video) from pure biochemistry information, it would work perfectly.

Penumbra · May 7, 2012

lunamoth said:
What order of priority would you assign to these three values: law, logic and love?

(I put them alphabetically here to avoid bias.)

For the one you give highest priority, why is it most important?

I'm not completely sure of the context. Priority with regards to human flourishing?

I view logic, then love, then law, as priorities in that order. Law is the distant third here, in my view.

Logic and love can both be applied poorly. Sometimes when people love one thing, they harm another. Or when they love something, they can sometimes do ignorant and harmful things to it. Logic, if applied incorrectly or incompletely, can result in disastrous outcomes.

It seems to me that without a degree of logic, the other two can't occur.

Father Heathen · May 7, 2012

logic (reason)
love (compassion)
law (should be based on the two values above)

bobhikes · May 7, 2012

Love (no better reason to live)
Law (needed controls)
Logic (something to satisfy boredom)

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