new prophet from New Mexico explains Bahaullah too

I would like to compare the writings of Bahaullah with the writings of Maitreya. To avoid confusion, i am talking about Maitreya, the Eternal Divine Path who lives in New Mexico USA. And of course Bahaullah of the Bahai Faith.

I am going to talk about spiritual energies and creative forces as explained by Maitreya and Bahaullah. My point in doing this is to demostrate Maitreyas` Mission as a true force of God and how it completly unifies all religions. Maitreya, Who is The One Whom God Shall Make Manifest, The Third Letter of the Word Baha, is also promised in Hindu prophecy as Kalki Avatar.

Maitreya explains the creative forces as a triangle, each side of the triangle having a name and are know as the three gunas (forces); satva, raja, and tama.

Maitreya, Creation and History, Tablet Two, says:

<1> "The three creative forces are the crudifying force(tama), mutative force (raja) and sentient force (satva). Because of their influences, the false ego was created and the universe was divided into infinite unit consciousnesses. The unit consciouness is the manifestation of the Divine (Pure Consciousness) through the gross in the illusive state of being separate from God (universe)."

Maitreya also explains it in this way:

Maitreya, THOTH suplements, Positive, Negative, and Neutral Forces in the Univerese,

"The negative force is the same as tama guna, and positive is satva guna. However, there is another force, raja guna, which has no polarity and is neutral. But it is this force which creates movement in the universe (consciousness). The movement or disire (raja guna) arises in the consciousness. According to the dominating force (positive or negative), the consciousness is bent toward that polarity."
If the tama guna(negative force) is dominating, the consciousness is bent toward the crudifying (hell) tendencies. But if the positive force (satva guna) is dominating, it is bent toward happiness, joy, and freedom (heaven)."

This is what Bahaullah is saying in Gleanings page 65 says:

"These energies with which the Day Star of Divine Bounty and Source of heavenly guidance hath endowed the reality of man lie , however, latent within him, even as the flame is hidden within the candle and the rays of light are potentially present in the lamp."

It is like we all have a little Buddha in us. The raja energy is the movement that we are unaware of because it is neutral and hard to realize. The raja is the movement energy in the universe.

Maitreya in, The Essence, tablet three explains further:

"In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
( John 1:4-5 )

"<1> The out-going force of the Soul (prana) which is the life-force of the Soul, is the power of the spirit and is in the consciousness and the universe (God) which was with Him, "in him was life". <2> This prana, which is also the mutative force, (raja guna), is responsible for all the activities in the universe. It is the life-force in the universe (the breath of life).

<3>But because it is a neutral force ( tama guna is negative, and satva is positive ), its presence is even harder to realize, and it assumes the polarity of tama (negative) when used from ignorance, and satva ( positive ) when used from knowledge <4> In itself it is the passion and is a force without mind. So when used in this regard the action is from passion. It is pure action.

<5> When it is not controlled and is used freely and outwardly toward fulfillment of worldly desires ( passions ), or used from ignorance, it becomes the very Maya ( illusion ) itself. <6> But when this force is realized, controlled and directed inwardly, it becomes a light ( spiritual realization, imagination, and willpower ) and can be directed toward higher thoughts. <7> Then it will spiritulize the mind, and the higher levels of the mind ( Buddhi ) will develop.

<8> This force ( prana, the life-force ) was in the universe ( God ) and also is present in each unit consciousness ( man ), and when it is directed toward higher consciousness ( satva guna, light ) it becomes the light of the consciousness, "and the life was the light of men." <9> But because of the influence of the tama guna ( darkness ), although this light is always within them, they cannot comprehend it, "and the light shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not." "

Bahaullah, Gleanings page 65:

"The radiance of these energies maybe obscured by worldly desires even as the light of the sun can be concealed beneath the dust and dross which cover the mirror."

also Bahaullah continues to explain the raja guna.

"Neither the candle nor the lamp can be lighted through their own unaided efforts, nor can it ever be possible for the mirror to free itself from its dross. It is clear and evident that until a fire is kindled the lamp will never be ignited, and unless the dross is blotted out from the face of the mirror it can never represent the image of the sun nor reflect its light and glory."

The balancing of these three forces is what Maitreya and Bahaullah are talking about. It is quite as simple as becoming a spiritual person, however, it is a long journey to reach God.
Maitreya in supplments explains:

"That is why meditation is helpful to clarify the situation of a person, because the process of meditation is to take one away from the influences of these forces to the center or state of objectivity of the Soul."

Dear Drew,

I think you have missed the point of the Tablet of Baha`u'llah. He is not talking about these tripedal energies which Maitreya speaks of. The same Tablet is in Baha`i World Faith and comes with a title in that reference:
"THE GENERATING IMPULSE OF CREATION
All-praise to the unity of God, and all-honor to Him, the sovereign Lord, the incomparable and all-glorious Ruler of the universe, Who, out of utter nothingness, hath created the reality of all things, Who, from naught, hath brought into being the most refined and subtle elements of His creation, and Who, rescuing His creatures from the abasement of remoteness and the perils of ultimate extinction, hath received them into His kingdom of incorruptible glory. Nothing short of His all-encompassing grace, His all-pervading mercy, could have possibly achieved it. How could it, otherwise, have been possible for sheer nothingness to have acquired by itself the worthiness and capacity to emerge from its state of non-existence into the realm of being?
Having created the world and all that liveth and moveth therein, He, through the direct operation of His unconstrained and sovereign Will, chose to confer upon man the unique distinction and capacity to know Him and to love Him -- a capacity that must needs be regarded as the generating impulse and the primary 103 purpose underlying the whole of creation.... Upon the inmost reality of each and every created thing He hath shed the light of one of His names, and made it a recipient of the glory of one of His attributes. Upon the reality of man, however, He hath focused the radiance of all of His names and attributes, and made it a mirror of His own Self. Alone of all created things man hath been singled out for so great a favor, so enduring a bounty.
These energies with which the Day Star of Divine bounty and Source of heavenly guidance hath endowed the reality of man lie, however, latent within him, even as the flame is hidden within the candle and the rays of light are potentially present in the lamp. The radiance of these energies may be obscured by worldly desires even as the light of the sun can be concealed beneath the dust and dross which cover the mirror. Neither the candle nor the lamp can be lighted through their own unaided efforts, nor can it ever be possible for the mirror to free itself from its dross. It is clear and evident that until a fire is kindled the lamp will never be ignited, and unless the dross is blotted out from the face of the mirror it can never represent the image of the sun nor reflect its light and glory.
And since there can be no tie of direct intercourse to bind the one true God with His creation, and no resemblance whatever can exist between the transient and the Eternal, the contingent and the Absolute, He hath ordained that in every age and dispensation a pure and stainless Soul be made manifest in the kingdoms of earth and heaven. Unto this subtle, this mysterious and ethereal Being He hath assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. He hath, moreover, conferred upon Him a double station. The first station, which is related to His innermost reality, representeth Him as One Whose voice is the voice of God Himself. To this testifieth the tradition: "Manifold and mysterious is My relationship with God. I am He, Himself and He is I, Myself, except that I am that I am, and He is that He is." And in like manner, the words: "Arise, O Muhammad for lo, the Lover and the Beloved are joined together and made one in Thee." He similarly saith: "There is no distinction whatsoever 104 between Thee and Them, except that They are Thy Servants." The second station is the human station, exemplified by the following verses: "I am but a man like you." "Say, praise be to my Lord! Am I more than a man, an apostle?" These Essences of Detachment, these resplendent Realities are the channels of God's all-pervasive grace. Led by the light of unfailing guidance, and invested with supreme sovereignty, they are commissioned to use the inspiration of their words, the effusions of their infallible grace and the sanctifying breeze of their Revelation for the cleansing of every longing heart and receptive spirit from the dross and dust of earthly cares and limitations. Then, and only then, will the Trust of God, latent in the reality of man, emerge, as resplendent as the rising Orb of Divine Revelation, from behind the veil of concealment, and implant the ensign of its revealed glory upon the summits of men's hearts.
From the foregoing passages and allusions it hath been made indubitably clear that in the kingdoms of earth and heaven there must needs be manifested a Being, an Essence Who shall act as a Manifestation and Vehicle for the transmission of the grace of the Divinity Itself, the Sovereign Lord of all. Through the Teachings of this Day Star of Truth every man will advance and develop until he attaineth the station at which he can manifest all the potential forces with which his inmost true self hath been endowed. It is for this very purpose that in every age and dispensation the Prophets of God and His chosen Ones have appeared amongst men, and have evinced such power as is born of God and such might as only the Eternal can reveal.
Can one of sane mind ever seriously imagine that, in view of certain words the meaning of which he cannot comprehend, the portal of God's infinite guidance can ever be closed in the face of men? Can he ever conceive for these Divine Luminaries, these resplendent Lights either a beginning or an end? What outpouring flood can compare with the stream of His all-embracing grace, and what blessing can excel the evidences of so great and pervasive a mercy? There can be no doubt whatever that if for one moment the tide of His mercy and grace were to be withheld from the world, it would completely perish. For this reason, from the beginning 105 that hath no beginning the portals of Divine mercy have been flung open to the face of all created things, and the clouds of Truth will continue to the end that hath no end to rain on the soil of human capacity, reality and personality their favors and bounties. Such hath been God's method continued from everlasting to everlasting.
(Compilations, Baha'i World Faith, p. 102)

As you can see when taken in context it is on an entirely different topic than you make out.

This Maitreya is from New Mexico. I grew up in El Paso, Texas which if any further west or north would actually be IN New Mexico. Living there I knew many folks in New Mexico from Las Cruces to Hobbs, to Deming, to Lordsburg, to Las Vegas (yes there is a Las Vegas, New Mexico), to Farmington, to Carlsbad, Rodeo, to Albuquerque, to Truth or Consequences. Did he settle in any of those? Why is there such mystery about his given name? I was born in 1947 and arrived in El Paso about 1952, lived there til I moved to Albuquerque in 1976. I might have known him as I knew many Persian folks during the time, even though I did not get my introduction to the Baha`i Faith until 1975. Lots of military folks there were acquaintances including Iranian soldiers coming to Fort Bliss for air defense instruction.

Regards,
Scott

Scott,

Maitreya was never a Bahai, so meeting Him among Bahai circles would not be likely.

Maitreya was in various places in the USA in the mid 70`s and eventually settled in Albuquerque. Albuquerque is where the Mission of Maitreya is.

I don`t know what you mean by the mystery of Maitreya`s name. There is no more mystery, The Seventh Angel has revealed all. His given name is Joseph Emmuelle. " Maitreya" is the spiritual name given when He was with Myer Baba (Myer Baba is the Sixth Seal of the Greatest Sign). So Maitreya was given His name; He did not assume the name, Maitreya. Maitreya Himself says that it is better that way but what is important about it is that Maitreya began this whole thing only as He formed the Greatest Sign (Shrii Shrii Para Maha Yantra). He was not saying He was anyone at this point, His Greatest Sign He would say "this must be from God" Maitreya did not need the fulfillment of prophecy to understand that His message was from God. Not everyone needs to actually see the prophecies be fulfilled, however, there are prophecies that are fulfilled, for those who need them, and one is that is Maitreya Buddha is here, by the Name of Maitreya.

The former thread i was discussing spiritual energies. Bahaullah always talks about spiritual energies, that and who He is. Even all the Laws are developed to build spiritual energies; essencially to form a good environment in which the spiritual energies may better be applied, i.e. prayer, cleanliness; the goal of the life is to become divine; i testify that i was born to know Thee and to worship Thee. Even what is said to be hidden, such as the meaning of the genoflections in prayer. The genoflections are used to help open chakra centers and are basic yoga. Yoga is not actual exercise, it is used to stimulate hormornes, thus effect meditation.

So my meaning was "spiritual energies".

drew22 said:

Scott,

Maitreya was never a Bahai, so meeting Him among Bahai circles would not be likely.

Maitreya was in various places in the USA in the mid 70`s and eventually settled in Albuquerque. Albuquerque is where the Mission of Maitreya is.

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Hey, guy. I was there in 76-77 myself. I was managing a nostalgia movie theater on Central Avenue called "The Encore" and lived on Coal, the street, not the rock.

drew22 said:

I don`t know what you mean by the mystery of Maitreya`s name. There is no more mystery, The Seventh Angel has revealed all. His given name is Joseph Emmuelle. " Maitreya" is the spiritual name given when He was with Myer Baba (Myer Baba is the Sixth Seal of the Greatest Sign). So Maitreya was given His name; He did not assume the name, Maitreya. Maitreya Himself says that it is better that way but what is important about it is that Maitreya began this whole thing only as He formed the Greatest Sign (Shrii Shrii Para Maha Yantra). He was not saying He was anyone at this point, His Greatest Sign He would say "this must be from God" Maitreya did not need the fulfillment of prophecy to understand that His message was from God. Not everyone needs to actually see the prophecies be fulfilled, however, there are prophecies that are fulfilled, for those who need them, and one is that is Maitreya Buddha is here, by the Name of Maitreya.

The former thread i was discussing spiritual energies. Bahaullah always talks about spiritual energies, that and who He is. Even all the Laws are developed to build spiritual energies; essencially to form a good environment in which the spiritual energies may better be applied, i.e. prayer, cleanliness; the goal of the life is to become divine; i testify that i was born to know Thee and to worship Thee. Even what is said to be hidden, such as the meaning of the genoflections in prayer. The genoflections are used to help open chakra centers and are basic yoga. Yoga is not actual exercise, it is used to stimulate hormornes, thus effect meditation.

So my meaning was "spiritual energies".

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Sorry, you are trying to attribute the "Maitreya's" concept of "spiritual energies" to Baha`u'llah and that is ludicrous in this context. Examining what you quote in context shows that it is ludicrous.

Regards,
Scott

Maitreya uses much Hindu terms, so you are actually saying it is ludicrous to compare the Hindu concept of spriritual energies--things like the metephor of a lampshade that blocks the light are describing (or dross on mirror), a direct expierience with God ,blocked. Tama force is the force of worldly desires;what Maitreya is talking about is an already held view; are you saying then you know Hinduism?

No way!! not out of context... spritiual energies also count for the creation of the universe and the reason; and why and what humans are about. You say it is out of context but where in that whole quote is Bahaullah not talking about spritiual energies?

drew22 said:

Maitreya uses much Hindu terms, so you are actually saying it is ludicrous to compare the Hindu concept of spriritual energies--things like the metephor of a lampshade that blocks the light are describing (or dross on mirror), a direct expierience with God ,blocked. Tama force is the force of worldly desires;what Maitreya is talking about is an already held view; are you saying then you know Hinduism?

No way!! not out of context... spritiual energies also count for the creation of the universe and the reason; and why and what humans are about. You say it is out of context but where in that whole quote is Bahaullah not talking about spritiual energies?

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God does not measure out different spiritual energies to create. He merely exerts His will.
"I have called Thee into being, have nurtured Thee, protected Thee, loved Thee, raised Thee up and have graciously chosen Thee to be the manifestation of Mine Own Self, that Thou mayest recite My verses as ordained by Me, and may summon whomsoever I have created unto My Religion which is none other than this glorious and exalted Path.
I have fashioned all created things for Thy sake, and I have, by virtue of My Will, set Thee sovereign Ruler over all mankind. Moreover, I have decreed that whoso embraceth My religion shall believe in My unity, and I have linked this belief with remembrance of Thee, and after 159 Thee the remembrance of such as Thou hast, by My leave, caused to be the 'Letters of the Living', and of whatever hath been revealed from My religion in the Bayan. This, indeed, is what will enable the sincere among My servants to gain admittance into the celestial Paradise.
Verily, the sun is but a token from My presence so that the true believers among My servants may discern in its rising the dawning of every Dispensation.
In truth I have created Thee through Thyself, then at My Own behest I have fashioned all things through the creative power of Thy Word. We are All-Powerful. I have appointed Thee to be the Beginning and the End, the Seen and the Hidden. Verily We are the All-Knowing."
(The Bab, Selections from the Writings of the Bab, p. 158)

Regards,
Scott

"Thus it is revealed in the `Biharu`l-Anvar,` the `Avalim,` and the `Yanbu` of Sadiq, son of Muhammad (not Prophet Mohammad), that he spoke these words: `Knowledge is twenty and seven letters. All that the Prophets have revealed are two letters thereof. No man thus far hath known more than these two letters. But when the Qa`im shall arise, He will cause the remaining twenty and five letters to be made manifest.` `Consider; He hath declared Knowledge to consist of twenty and seven letters, and regarded all the Prophets, from Adam even unto the `Seal`, as Expounders of only two letters. He also saith that the Qa`im will reveal all the remaining twenty and five letters. Behold from this utterance how great and lofty is His station!"-Baha`u`llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan, pages 243-244

Baha`u`llah is talking about the Seventh Angel (Qa`im), because in KJV Revelation 10:7 it says:
"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets"


The mystery of God was not finished with Baha`u`llah because Baha`u`llah did not allow us to read all that was revealed to Him. He had had those writings thrown into the river! And it was also recorded in the writings of Nabil, Taherzadeh, and Shoghi Effendi. Shoghi Effendi wrote in `God Passes By` page 138 :


"As to those verses which He either dictated or wrote Himself, their number was no less remarkable than either the wealth of material they contained, or the diversity of subjects to which they referred. A vast, and indeed the greater proportion of these Writings were, alas, lost irretrievably to posterity. No less an authority than Mirza Aqa Jan, Bahaullahs amanuesis, affirms, as reported by Nabil, that by the express order of Bahaullah, hundreds of thousands of verses, mostly written by His own hand, were obliterated and cast into the river. `Finding me reluctant to execute His orders, `Mirza Aqa Jan has related to Nabil, `Bahaullah would reassure me saying: `None is to be found at this time worthy to hear these melodies.` Not once, or twice, but innumerable times, was I commanded to repeat this act.`"


So what we have here are more remarkable quotes that point directly at Maitreya, The Eternal Divine Path. So Scott why don`t you go back and try reading THOTH again. The URL for todays info is http://www.maitreya.org/english/PBaha`i.htm

drew22 said:

"Thus it is revealed in the `Biharu`l-Anvar,` the `Avalim,` and the `Yanbu` of Sadiq, son of Muhammad (not Prophet Mohammad), that he spoke these words: `Knowledge is twenty and seven letters. All that the Prophets have revealed are two letters thereof. No man thus far hath known more than these two letters. But when the Qa`im shall arise, He will cause the remaining twenty and five letters to be made manifest.` `Consider; He hath declared Knowledge to consist of twenty and seven letters, and regarded all the Prophets, from Adam even unto the `Seal`, as Expounders of only two letters. He also saith that the Qa`im will reveal all the remaining twenty and five letters. Behold from this utterance how great and lofty is His station!"-Baha`u`llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan, pages 243-244

Baha`u`llah is talking about the Seventh Angel (Qa`im), because in KJV Revelation 10:7 it says:
"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets"


The mystery of God was not finished with Baha`u`llah because Baha`u`llah did not allow us to read all that was revealed to Him. He had had those writings thrown into the river! And it was also recorded in the writings of Nabil, Taherzadeh, and Shoghi Effendi. Shoghi Effendi wrote in `God Passes By` page 138 :


"As to those verses which He either dictated or wrote Himself, their number was no less remarkable than either the wealth of material they contained, or the diversity of subjects to which they referred. A vast, and indeed the greater proportion of these Writings were, alas, lost irretrievably to posterity. No less an authority than Mirza Aqa Jan, Bahaullahs amanuesis, affirms, as reported by Nabil, that by the express order of Bahaullah, hundreds of thousands of verses, mostly written by His own hand, were obliterated and cast into the river. `Finding me reluctant to execute His orders, `Mirza Aqa Jan has related to Nabil, `Bahaullah would reassure me saying: `None is to be found at this time worthy to hear these melodies.` Not once, or twice, but innumerable times, was I commanded to repeat this act.`"


So what we have here are more remarkable quotes that point directly at Maitreya, The Eternal Divine Path. So Scott why don`t you go back and try reading THOTH again. The URL for todays info is http://www.maitreya.org/english/PBaha`i.htm

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Drew, your gaps in knowledge of the Baha`i Faith are wide. The Bab is the subject of the Kitab'i Iqan. Baha`u'llah had made no public claim to be He WHom God Will Make Manifest. That was about seven years later in the Ridvan Garden on a tiny island in the Euphrates within the boundaries of Baghdad.

The Bab was the Qa'im.

The quote from Baha`u'llah is in reference to the original declaration of the Bab with Mulla Husayn (you can find it footnoted in Dawnbreakers page 65). He says quite clearly that all the prophets from Adam to the Seal (Muhammed) had only declared two letters and it was up to the Bab (as the Qa'im) to declare the rest.

"In Badasht, there was a great open field. Through its center a stream flowed, and to its right, left, and rear there were three gardens, the envy of Paradise. One of those gardens was assigned to Quddus,[1] but this was kept a secret. Another was set apart for Tahirih, and in a third was raised the pavilion of Bahá'u'lláh. On the field amidst the three gardens, the believers pitched their tents. Evenings, Bahá'u'lláh, Quddus and Tahirih would come together. In those days the fact that the Báb was the Qá'im had not yet been proclaimed; it was the Blessed Beauty, with Quddus, Who arranged for the proclamation of a universal 202 Advent and the abrogation and repudiation of the ancient laws."
[1 The eighteenth Letter of the Living, martyred with unspeakable cruelty in the market place at Barfurush, when he was twenty-seven. Bahá'u'lláh conferred on him a station second only to that of the Báb Himself. Cf. The Dawn-Breakers, pp. 408-415.]
(Abdu'l-Baha, Memorials of the Faithful, p. 201)

Baha`u'llah is speaking of the Bab in the Epistle to the Son of the Wolf: "O Hadi! The blind fanaticism of former times hath withheld the hapless creatures from the Straight Path. Meditate on the Shi'ih sect. For twelve hundred years they have cried "O Qá'im!", until in the end all pronounced the sentence of His death, and caused Him to suffer martyrdom, notwithstanding their belief in, and their acceptance and acknowledgment of, the True One -- exalted be His glory -- and of the Seal of the Prophets, and of the Chosen Ones. It is now necessary to reflect a while, that haply that which hath come between the True One and His creatures may be discovered, and the deeds which have been the cause of protest and denial be made known."
(Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 163)


Baha1u'llah censored His verses on many occasions. He destroyed most of His Ode to the Dove, for instance. He revealed as God told Him to reveal, and no Prophet however far in the future will ever reveal God fully to man, it is not possible.

By the way your link does not work. If it has not been added to since the last time i looked at the Baha`i "Prophecy" oage a couple weeks ago, I'm not interested in visiting it again.

Regards,
Scott

imho, Maitreya is you basic new age wingnut. I wouldnt put any faith in what he is saying.

Are any of you aware of where the name Maitreya comes from? It's interesting; the choice had to be deliberate. Maitreya, in Buddhist canon, is the Bodhisattva who will appear as earth's next Buddha, long after the present Buddhist teachings have faded away (some 10,000 years or so from now). It's interesting, because although the name is from Buddhism, the teachings are definitely not. They don't meet the test of the Three Seals of the Dharma, and so cannot be considered Buddhist teachings. Thus, taking the name of a Bodhisattva prophesied as the future Buddha makes no sense whatsoever. My personal opinion, of course.

Engyo said:

Are any of you aware of where the name Maitreya comes from? It's interesting; the choice had to be deliberate. Maitreya, in Buddhist canon, is the Bodhisattva who will appear as earth's next Buddha, long after the present Buddhist teachings have faded away (some 10,000 years or so from now). It's interesting, because although the name is from Buddhism, the teachings are definitely not. They don't meet the test of the Three Seals of the Dharma, and so cannot be considered Buddhist teachings. Thus, taking the name of a Bodhisattva prophesied as the future Buddha makes no sense whatsoever. My personal opinion, of course.

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The Maitreya would be the Fifth Buddha, the Buddha of Compassion.
Baha`u'llah lays claim to being the fulfillment of all the Promised Ones - The Quayyum, the return of Christ, the Shah Bahram, the position of Maitreya Buddha is claimed FOR Him by Abdu'l Baha and Shoghi Effendi, but I never saw the claim in His own words. However, the Buddha is acknowledged as a Manifestation of God, just like Moses, Muhammed, Christ or Baha`u'llah.

The Maitreya of New Mexico seems to offer a mish-mash of Hinduism and whatever.

As to whether Buddhism has slipped far enough away from its acfual iteration by the Buddha to qualify as "faded away"; I guessthat has to be gauged by the individual observing.

Regards,
Scott

Scott -

Personally, I think that Buddha would not have agreed with being called a manifestation of God, but that is my own opinion of course. Since Buddhism doesn't postulate a creator deity, nor an all-powerful entity of any type, it doesn't really scan. The teaching of impermanence is also quite foreign to most of the theistic religions, as is not-self. Just my 2c, YMMV.

Engyo said:

Scott -

Personally, I think that Buddha would not have agreed with being called a manifestation of God, but that is my own opinion of course. Since Buddhism doesn't postulate a creator deity, nor an all-powerful entity of any type, it doesn't really scan. The teaching of impermanence is also quite foreign to most of the theistic religions, as is not-self. Just my 2c, YMMV.

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In my opinion just because God is a non-issue in the teachings of the Buddha does not mean God is non-existent. In the Pali text it says how can anything be born if there was never an unborn, how could there ever be an effect without a primal cause.
The "not-Self" is an aspiration of theistic religions - Christianity, Islam, Baha`i, to overcome the self by submitting to the Will of God.

there's a penny change for you . . . Regards,
Scott

Popeyesays said:

In my opinion just because God is a non-issue in the teachings of the Buddha does not mean God is non-existent. In the Pali text it says how can anything be born if there was never an unborn, how could there ever be an effect without a primal cause.
The "not-Self" is an aspiration of theistic religions - Christianity, Islam, Baha`i, to overcome the self by submitting to the Will of God.

there's a penny change for you . . . Regards,
Scott

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Scott -
My understanding of the Buddha's teaching of Not-self, or anatman, is different than I understand your quote above. Not-self means that there is no permanently existing self, which continues to exist after the bodies' death; thus there can be no everlasting life. Anatman is a function of the overall doctrines of impermanence and dependent arising; that nothing can exist without change, or exists in isolation, but is conditional upon everything else.

You are certainly welcome to continue believing in God; I just don't share that belief.

Engyo said:

Scott -
My understanding of the Buddha's teaching of Not-self, or anatman, is different than I understand your quote above. Not-self means that there is no permanently existing self, which continues to exist after the bodies' death; thus there can be no everlasting life. Anatman is a function of the overall doctrines of impermanence and dependent arising; that nothing can exist without change, or exists in isolation, but is conditional upon everything else.

You are certainly welcome to continue believing in God; I just don't share that belief.

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Engyo,

I certainly don't think you must believe as I do, that would make it a boring world in many ways. Diversity is always good.

Regards,
Scott

Sorry Scott! but your view is dogmatic! The Qa`im is not the Seventh Angel? You should check out the Orthodox Bahais they have a website and they are really into the Seventh Angel (thier leader is the Seventh Angel by name) and they found this stuff out all on their own without Maitreya The Eternal Divine Path. Scott you can read carfully can`t , try reading the First of Bahaullahs Seven Valleys. The First Valley it can be said are search is so ardent that we should look in the sand for the Beloved.. however, are you a true seeker?, if not you will never see what i am talking about.

drew22 said:

Sorry Scott! but your view is dogmatic! The Qa`im is not the Seventh Angel? You should check out the Orthodox Bahais they have a website and they are really into the Seventh Angel (thier leader is the Seventh Angel by name) and they found this stuff out all on their own without Maitreya The Eternal Divine Path. Scott you can read carfully can`t , try reading the First of Bahaullahs Seven Valleys. The First Valley it can be said are search is so ardent that we should look in the sand for the Beloved.. however, are you a true seeker?, if not you will never see what i am talking about.

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Its this way. Anyone who layeth claim to a Manifestation from God before the expiration a full thousand years is a liar. That's what Baha`u'llah says, that is what I accept. Orthodox Baha`i's are covenant breakers, Drewe is that the kind of Baha`i you were?

Regards,
Scott

Engyo said:

Are any of you aware of where the name Maitreya comes from?

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Yeppers. Good ol' Tibet.

Popeyesays said:

Its this way. Anyone who layeth claim to a Manifestation from God before the expiration a full thousand years is a liar

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Dare I ask when the 1000 years is up? I have always felt that one who plays the numbers game is playing a game of brinksmanship. A slippery slope indeed.

YmirGF said:

Yeppers. Good ol' Tibet.

Dare I ask when the 1000 years is up? I have always felt that one who plays the numbers game is playing a game of brinksmanship. A slippery slope indeed.

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Well, its pretty express and the only time in the writings where he is so express about a passage of years.
"37
Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from
God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a
man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that
He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate
such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt,
forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error,
God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal
mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in
punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise
than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of
God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created
things. Fear God, and follow not your idle fancies.
Nay, rather, follow the bidding of your Lord, the
Almighty, the All-Wise."
(Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 32)

As to when is it up? Well, that is not expressly stated. The Aqdas was written in 1878, Baha`u'llah was born in 1817, had His first revelatory experience in 1852, proclaimed His station in 1863, wrote the Aqdas in 1878, and passed on in 1892.

So the earliest I would look for the expiration of the thousand years would be 2817, and it could be as late as 2892, and since it says at LEAST a thousand years, it might come after that. Fortunately for me, that will be someone else's decision to face.

Regards,
Scott

Hi, Scott!

For the record, it is NEVER correct to call a covenant-breaker a Baha'i!

A Baha'i is someone who accepts and endeavors to follow and obey the Covenant of Baha'u'llah, as expressly laid out in the Baha'i scriptures.

So since these individuals don't do this, they are not Baha'i no matter what they may call themselves!

Peace,

Bruce