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Who's Your Savior?
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
katzpur... I don't need a savior because there is no terrible sin that is so great that someone elce has to die for me. I am ultimately responcible for my life and my actions... if anyone is going to atone for my sins it will be me.
My faith is very big on personal responcibility... we do not ask others to suffer for us, Creator made us to suffer for ourselves and through that suffering to learn and clense ourselves.
My faith also holds that Creator is part of everything in creation... thus I am part of God. There is no great disconnect between us unless I let there be. God isn't a score keeper and there isn't any winning or loosing... you live as well as you can.
Why do I need to be raised from the dead? Death is the natural conciquence for living, I can be quite happy in the afterlife.
wa:do
My faith is very big on personal responcibility... we do not ask others to suffer for us, Creator made us to suffer for ourselves and through that suffering to learn and clense ourselves.
My faith also holds that Creator is part of everything in creation... thus I am part of God. There is no great disconnect between us unless I let there be. God isn't a score keeper and there isn't any winning or loosing... you live as well as you can.
Why do I need to be raised from the dead? Death is the natural conciquence for living, I can be quite happy in the afterlife.
wa:do
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
Ok, i voted Other. Personally, i don't believe in a physical person who did anything to save my soul, such as Jesus. But in mythological terms i'd say Eve - she gave us the ability to think for ourselves and thus paved the way for the finding of Gnosis.
In a personal sense, i believe in an Aeon who guides and helps me, she could be classed as my saviour i guess, she saves me from the darker aspects of myself.
In a personal sense, i believe in an Aeon who guides and helps me, she could be classed as my saviour i guess, she saves me from the darker aspects of myself.
Master Vigil
Well-Known Member
I'll jump in for the Taoist team. 
Taoism does not discuss the afterlife very much because it isn't important. Sure you may think it is only because you are worried about it. But what does worry do? It causes stress, anxiety, and the belief in religions that aren't necessary. (Sorry, just had to put it in there.) Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. So what will happen when we die? The energy that makes up our existence will change. I don't know what it will change into, and I don't need to know. I'm not dead yet, so I'll have to get back to ya when I die and let ya know. I know one thing though, since energy cannot be destroyed than I know that I will never cease to exist completely. Therefore, death is LIFE!! No being bringing me back to life, just continuation of the natural cycle. Simple? You betcha. That's taoism for ya.
There is also no need for a savior because we are not in danger of anything. There is no original sin, no adam, and therefore no need for a second adam.
Taoism does not discuss the afterlife very much because it isn't important. Sure you may think it is only because you are worried about it. But what does worry do? It causes stress, anxiety, and the belief in religions that aren't necessary. (Sorry, just had to put it in there.) Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. So what will happen when we die? The energy that makes up our existence will change. I don't know what it will change into, and I don't need to know. I'm not dead yet, so I'll have to get back to ya when I die and let ya know. I know one thing though, since energy cannot be destroyed than I know that I will never cease to exist completely. Therefore, death is LIFE!! No being bringing me back to life, just continuation of the natural cycle. Simple? You betcha. That's taoism for ya.There is also no need for a savior because we are not in danger of anything. There is no original sin, no adam, and therefore no need for a second adam.
Sanctified_by_Faith
New Member
I know this because the word of God(the bible)tells me so and because i have a relationship with Jesus Christ my Saviour! He showed his love for me by dying on the cross for my sin and being resurrected by my Heavenly Father on the third day!! He went to prepare a place for me in heaven and for anyone else who believes in him a place in which we will live for eternity with our Heavenly Father and Jesus our Lord and Saviour!! Thats how i Know!!Kowalski said:
Sanctified_by_Faith
New Member
Why do you think that? Just Wondering!Darkdale said:Heathens do not believe in salvation. People don't need to be saved.
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
Because it is only in JudeoChristian theology that the concept of a Savior is found.Sanctified_by_Faith said:
Master Vigil
Well-Known Member
So basically you read about it. Why do you believe in one book, and not another? Is it because the bible says so? So basically the bible is right because the bible says so. You realize that is a HUGE logical fallacy right?Sanctified_by_Faith said:I know this because the word of God(the bible)tells me so and because i have a relationship with Jesus Christ my Saviour! He showed his love for me by dying on the cross for my sin and being resurrected by my Heavenly Father on the third day!! He went to prepare a place for me in heaven and for anyone else who believes in him a place in which we will live for eternity with our Heavenly Father and Jesus our Lord and Saviour!! Thats how i Know!!
Because there is no original sin to be saved from.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I'm sorry but that doesn't make much sense to me. It sounds to me as if God allows you to enter Heaven, then He is your Savior. You pray to Him and recognize that it is up to Him to either forgive you or not. Presumably, you're not going to get into Heaven unless He does, so it seems to me that you should be giving Him the credit for saving you from the permanance of death, if nothing more.The Truth said:
maj123
Member
My Savior is Islam religion and the following Hadith of the prophet proves
that:
Narrated By Talha bin 'Ubaidullah: A man from Najd with unkempt hair came to Allah's Apostle and we heard his loud voice but could not understand what he was saying, till he came near and then we came to know that he was asking about Islam. Allah's Apostle said,
"You have to offer prayers perfectly five times in a day and night (24 hours)." The man asked, "Is there any more (praying)?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to offer the Nawafil prayers (you can)." Allah's Apostle further said to him: "You have to observe fasts during the month of Ramad, an." The man asked, "Is there any more fasting?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to observe the Nawafil fasts (you can.)" Then Allah's Apostle further said to him, "You have to pay the Zakat (obligatory charity)." The man asked, "Is there any thing other than the Zakat for me to pay?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, unless you want to give alms of your own." And then that man retreated saying, "By Allah! I will neither do less nor more than this." Allah's Apostle said, "If what he said is true, then he will be successful (i.e. he will be granted PARADISE)."
and also the following Ayat of the Quran:
". 85) And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." [Quran:3]
that:
Narrated By Talha bin 'Ubaidullah: A man from Najd with unkempt hair came to Allah's Apostle and we heard his loud voice but could not understand what he was saying, till he came near and then we came to know that he was asking about Islam. Allah's Apostle said,
"You have to offer prayers perfectly five times in a day and night (24 hours)." The man asked, "Is there any more (praying)?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to offer the Nawafil prayers (you can)." Allah's Apostle further said to him: "You have to observe fasts during the month of Ramad, an." The man asked, "Is there any more fasting?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to observe the Nawafil fasts (you can.)" Then Allah's Apostle further said to him, "You have to pay the Zakat (obligatory charity)." The man asked, "Is there any thing other than the Zakat for me to pay?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, unless you want to give alms of your own." And then that man retreated saying, "By Allah! I will neither do less nor more than this." Allah's Apostle said, "If what he said is true, then he will be successful (i.e. he will be granted PARADISE)."
and also the following Ayat of the Quran:
". 85) And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." [Quran:3]
Francis2000
New Member
Jesus Christ: HE died for my sins
JesusIsTheWay
Member
I don't need a savior because there is no terrible sin that is so great that someone else has to die for me.painted wolf said:
There is no big, terrible sin. There is the Fall, where humans first sinned, but no one big sin. It's all the "little things" most of the time that is the problem. The lying, cheating, hating, stealing, and i.e. And the reason somebody (Jesus Christ) had to die for us is because we are sinful human beings, who cannot live good enough. After the Fall, mankind became infested with sin, and God gave us a chance to "work our way to Heaven;" the Law (Moses, OT). God gave man probably around... 5000 years to see if any one man could perfectly fulfill the Law. Nobody could. So, God sent His one and only Son Jesus Christ, so that those that have faith in Him can live with Him in eternity, but not just in eternity, but here on earth, through the Holy Spirit living and dwelling in those that are saved and have passed from death to life.
I am ultimately responcible for my life and my actions / My faith is very big on personal responcibility... we do not ask others to suffer for us, Creator made us to suffer for ourselves and through that suffering to learn and clense ourselves.
So is Christianity. "For we all must stand before the judgment seat of Christ and give an account of the good and bad things we have done in this body... Those in Christ Jesus will be judged first. (paraphrases)" In Hebrews God tells us that He will disciple His children so that they may learn holiness and become more like Him.
if anyone is going to atone for my sins it will be me.
How do you expect to do that? How can you pay your own bail? How can you possibly do anything to earn favor with the Most High, the Creator of all? How can you make peace with God through anything you can do?
Death is the natural conciquence for living, I can be quite happy in the afterlife
"For me, to live is Christ and to die is gain" - Paul the Apostle
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JesusIsTheWay
Member
How do you expect to do that?
