ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT
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Stormygale said:
Read my answer above.
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144,000?
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Read my answer above.
I noticed that no one has put the LDS interpretation of this number, so I'll do it. 
Doctrine and Covenants 77:11 - "What are we to understand by searling the one hundred and fourty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel - twelve thousand out of every tribe? We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn."
I don't know what that means, but it's the LDS doctrine.
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/77
Doctrine and Covenants 77:11 - "What are we to understand by searling the one hundred and fourty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel - twelve thousand out of every tribe? We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn."
I don't know what that means, but it's the LDS doctrine.
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/77
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I never thought before that God and Jesus might have an elitist streak.
Makes a bit of a mockery of Jesus teachings.
Just shows the danger of believing every thing you read.
Terry________________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.
Makes a bit of a mockery of Jesus teachings.
Just shows the danger of believing every thing you read.
Terry________________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.
Mike182
Flaming Queer
the same place he got most of his other ideas from, and conincidentally, the same place i go to when i a number "2"Maize said:
a lot of calvin's teachings contradict the bible! ergo i don't like them
his arguments are based on the premis that humans have no free will, and so therefor God has already planed our lives down to the "t", so he already has the names of everyone who is going to enter heaven, and everyone else is to fall into hell
i disagree with this because i believe human beings have free will, i do not believe in pre-destination like calvin does - but if i did believe in pre-destination then i would agree with calvin!
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT
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YmirGF said:Now all I have to do is figure out who the other 143,999 are.
well condsidering there's only about 8,000 left on earth i guess that would be fairly hard..
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A. Leaf
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I personally believe it is all to do with 144,000 of the original souls who were alive and knew Christ at the time of his life (as stated in the revelations). The 144,00 will probably be able to communicate telepathicalay on his return, well I think its a one way thing, between him/her and his followers. Of course you don't ahve to believe in reincarnation, but John the baptist was as Jesus said, Elija.
great post , that is an accurate knowledge of the bible being made known , and my hope is to be one of the other sheep , spoken of in revelation 7;9 how good it is to be a part of a great crowd that recognize that Jesus is now king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment in the heavens. and he has 144,000 who will rule with him over the earth .yes Jesus was made king of Gods kingdom in the heavens right on time and inline with bible prophecy and chronology in 1914 .and those who recognize that Established kingdom are putting themselfs in Gods favourNubialy said:
FFH
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I would like to add my testimony to this scripture that Johnny has posted.
Doctine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints 77: 11
Question: "What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Isreal---twelve thousand out of every tribe?"
Answer: "We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel, for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the andgels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn."
The 144,00 are those high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel.
Church of the Firstborn are those who will take part in the First Resurrection, when Christ will come for his church.
Doctine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints 77: 11
Question: "What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Isreal---twelve thousand out of every tribe?"
Answer: "We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel, for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the andgels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn."
The 144,00 are those high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel.
Church of the Firstborn are those who will take part in the First Resurrection, when Christ will come for his church.
make no mistake about it , weather we like it or not ,there will come a time when we are on Gods side or not on Gods side. God is going to step into the affairs of humans on this earth (Daniel 2;44)and when he does i know whoes side i want to be on , recognizing Jesus kingship is a requirment to everlasting life Jesus was made king of Gods kingdom in the heavens in 1914 and we are waiting for the time which is very near now to when he will do away with all manmade govermentsMike182 said:
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ John 17;3 yes Jesus is king of Gods kingdom and it will bring peace to the earth taking in knowledge about the purpose that Jesus is playing ,in the out working of Gods purpose for this earth ,is the thing to do ,i know i did , and it certainly opened my eyes in understanding
Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth matthew 6;9
The 144,000 are mentioned in the book of Revelation. That number does not refer to the number of people that will be saved. It refers to the number of humans that will be granted heavenly life to serve as kings & priests with Christ during his 1000 year reign. All other humans you are fortunate enough to survive Armageddon will live on Paradise earth under that ruling body. The humans are earth are referred to as the great crowd (Rev. 7:9)
RagnarGalt
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Err... I think that is PALM branches, May...
O.K. ....... I am going to attempt to answer this.....
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of all the tribes of the children of Yisraĕl:
Rev 7:5 of the tribe of Yehuḏah twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Reuḇĕn twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Gaḏ twelve thousand were sealed,
Rev 7:6 of the tribe of Ashĕr twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Menashsheh twelve thousand were sealed,
Rev 7:7 of the tribe of Shimʽon twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Lĕwi twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Yissasḵar twelve thousand were sealed,
Rev 7:8 of the tribe of Zeḇulun twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Yosĕph twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Binyamin twelve thousand were sealed.
As well as..........
Rev 14:1 And I looked and saw a Lamb standing on Mount Tsiyon, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Fathers Name written upon their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice out of the heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder, and I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a renewed song before the throne, and before the four living creatures, and the elders. And no one was able to learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 They are those who were not defiled with women, for they are maidens. They are those following the Lamb wherever He leads them on. They were redeemed from among men, being first-fruits to Elohim and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no falsehood, for they are blameless before the throne of Elohim.
These are as they are spoken of here and only that. They are different than the others mentioned here.........
Rev 7:9 After this I looked and saw a great crowd which no one was able to count, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, and palm branches in their hands,
Rev 7:10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, Deliverance belongs to our Elohim who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!
Rev 7:11 And all the messengers stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshipped Elohim,
Rev 7:12 saying, Amĕn! The blessing, and the esteem, and the wisdom, and the thanksgiving, and the respect, and the power, and the might, to our Elohim forever and ever. Amĕn.
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders responded, saying to me, Who are these dressed in white robes, and where did they come from?
Rev 7:14 And I said to him, Master, you know. And he said to me, These are those coming out of the great distress, having washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Because of this they are before the throne of Elohim, and serve Him day and night in His Dwelling Place. And He who sits on the throne shall spread His Tent over them.
Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more, neither shall the sun strike them, nor any heat,
Rev 7:17 because the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne shall shepherd them and lead them to fountains of waters of life. And Elohim shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Now these are all that were called up before the great tribulation. Hebrew as well as Gentile. They were saved the destruction.
Once the chosen ones had been delivered then those left on the earth were asked to do the will of YAH and those who did not suffered great tribulations. Each time a seal was broken they were given chance to repent and do the will of YAH and finally the chance was gone and nothing left but the lake of fire. Then comes the 1,000 year reign.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of all the tribes of the children of Yisraĕl:
Rev 7:5 of the tribe of Yehuḏah twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Reuḇĕn twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Gaḏ twelve thousand were sealed,
Rev 7:6 of the tribe of Ashĕr twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Menashsheh twelve thousand were sealed,
Rev 7:7 of the tribe of Shimʽon twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Lĕwi twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Yissasḵar twelve thousand were sealed,
Rev 7:8 of the tribe of Zeḇulun twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Yosĕph twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Binyamin twelve thousand were sealed.
As well as..........
Rev 14:1 And I looked and saw a Lamb standing on Mount Tsiyon, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Fathers Name written upon their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice out of the heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder, and I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a renewed song before the throne, and before the four living creatures, and the elders. And no one was able to learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 They are those who were not defiled with women, for they are maidens. They are those following the Lamb wherever He leads them on. They were redeemed from among men, being first-fruits to Elohim and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no falsehood, for they are blameless before the throne of Elohim.
These are as they are spoken of here and only that. They are different than the others mentioned here.........
Rev 7:9 After this I looked and saw a great crowd which no one was able to count, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, and palm branches in their hands,
Rev 7:10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, Deliverance belongs to our Elohim who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!
Rev 7:11 And all the messengers stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshipped Elohim,
Rev 7:12 saying, Amĕn! The blessing, and the esteem, and the wisdom, and the thanksgiving, and the respect, and the power, and the might, to our Elohim forever and ever. Amĕn.
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders responded, saying to me, Who are these dressed in white robes, and where did they come from?
Rev 7:14 And I said to him, Master, you know. And he said to me, These are those coming out of the great distress, having washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Because of this they are before the throne of Elohim, and serve Him day and night in His Dwelling Place. And He who sits on the throne shall spread His Tent over them.
Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more, neither shall the sun strike them, nor any heat,
Rev 7:17 because the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne shall shepherd them and lead them to fountains of waters of life. And Elohim shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Now these are all that were called up before the great tribulation. Hebrew as well as Gentile. They were saved the destruction.
Once the chosen ones had been delivered then those left on the earth were asked to do the will of YAH and those who did not suffered great tribulations. Each time a seal was broken they were given chance to repent and do the will of YAH and finally the chance was gone and nothing left but the lake of fire. Then comes the 1,000 year reign.
The reading in the Apoc. regarding the 144,000 also suggests that they are only males that are of this number and that they are Hebrew and quite young possibly infants.
When I confronted the J.W.'s about the lack of any women that will get Heaven they had no answer. According to them even the Blessed Virgin Mary is excluded.
When I confronted the J.W.'s about the lack of any women that will get Heaven they had no answer. According to them even the Blessed Virgin Mary is excluded.
the bible always gives the answer , remember that the book of revelation is for the most part highly symbolicBM5 said:
These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, and no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish." (Revelation 14:4, 5) women in the bible can refer to organizations or false religions
What characterizes this class is a spiritual virginity. They have avoided spiritual adultery with worldly politics and with false religion. (James 4:4; Revelation 17:5) As the betrothed bride of Christ, they have kept themselves pure, "without a blemish in among a crooked and twisted generation."Philippians 2:15 and yes mary will be one of these, the 144,000 are made up of men and women
Therefore their not defiling themselves with women and their being "virgins" would not mean that none of these 144,000 persons had ever been married, for the Scriptures do not forbid persons on earth who are to be joint heirs with Christ to marry. (1Ti 3:2; 4:1, 3) Neither would it imply that all the 144,000 were men, for "there is neither male nor female" as far as the spiritual relationship of Christs joint heirs is concerned. (Ga 3:28) The "women" therefore must be symbolic women, doubtless religious organizations such as Babylon the Great and her daughters, false religious organizations, the joining of and participation in which would prevent one from being spotless. (Re 17:5)