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In pornography a "moral dilema"?

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
And maybe you don't have it coming. Do I answer to you? Do I have to explain myself to you?

This is a debate/discussion forum sweetheart. The objective is to explain and contrast opinions, not to make absolute statements and then insult everyone who questions you.

If you don't like people questioning your opinions what the hell are you doing here?
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
Easy there tiger... err lion.

By that CC I take it you simply do not want to or do not feel you can adequately convey to us your reasoning? Well, I can sort of understand your reservations, however I find it difficult to relate to the idea that the existence and use of something by one person degrades all people or would diminish the symbolic or religious 'value' of any sacrament between you and your God.

May I ask you this then: What of paying to view a live sex act? What of buying imagery that features stylised depictions of sex (such as animations)? What of masturbation itself with a toy that was purchased - in each of these cases, sexual gratification is sought with the assistance of material goods which are acquired - is that diminishing the 'sacrament' of sex in your eyes?
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
This is a debate/discussion forum sweetheart. The objective is to explain and contrast opinions, not to make absolute statements and then insult everyone who questions you.

If you don't like people questioning your opinions what the hell are you doing here?

Did I insult anyone? No I didn't.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Easy there tiger... err lion.

By that CC I take it you simply do not want to or do not feel you can adequately convey to us your reasoning? Well, I can sort of understand your reservations, however I find it difficult to relate to the idea that the existence and use of something by one person degrades all people or would diminish the symbolic or religious 'value' of any sacrament between you and your God.

May I ask you this then: What of paying to view a live sex act? What of buying imagery that features stylised depictions of sex (such as animations)? What of masturbation itself with a toy that was purchased - in each of these cases, sexual gratification is sought with the assistance of material goods which are acquired - is that diminishing the 'sacrament' of sex in your eyes?

No I am out. I stated my opinion , it was determined that it wasn't approved so I am out. I tried, you didn't want to hear me. There is no reasoning with those who will not reason.

I surrender, you win. Savor the victory.
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
x.x

I have heard your opinion - and while I disagree with that particular position, I would certainly like to hear your reasoning for that position, isn't that the purpose of such discussions?

There is no victory x.x in fact if you do not give your reasoning then I have failed in my purpose in taking part in such topics, which is to learn and understand the positions of others such as yourself - particularly people who have different positions than myself; I am sorry if my posts seemed confrontational, my questions were intended as probing, not as barbed, truly I would be grateful to hear your reasons, even over PM.

Edit: Though the library has just closed so I will have to leave in a moment :/
 
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Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Porn is an Industry.
It uses both voluntary actors and and forced participants in the productions.
It exists because people are prepared to pay vast amounts of money to watch their productions.
Some is filmed in house, and some bought from "Contractors" and some from individuals.

The viewer has no Idea if they were obtained by criminal acts, or the status of the participants.
Some of the Productions are by definition illegal, such as the use of children or rape.

At best the moral status is dubious at worst depraved criminality.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Some people approach the issue from an emotional standpoint rather than from a rational standpoint, hence their lack of a solid argument.
 

meogi

Well-Known Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
Some of the Productions are by definition illegal, such as the use of children or rape.
That's because the act itself is illegal. Where exactly would one find and purchase these 'illegal' productions? Certainly not the legal outlet that the vast, vast majority of pornography comes from. Underground? Well, you can find drugs, sex, killings, and generally anything else you could want from that source as well. That's why it's underground. And illegal.

Terrywoodenpic said:
At best the moral status is dubious at worst depraved criminality.
Dubious? What issues do you have with legal pornography? I'd say at best it's a way for a couple to make money for simply recording something they enjoy doing together.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
That's because the act itself is illegal. Where exactly would one find and purchase these 'illegal' productions? Certainly not the legal outlet that the vast, vast majority of pornography comes from. Underground? Well, you can find drugs, sex, killings, and generally anything else you could want from that source as well. That's why it's underground. And illegal.

Dubious? What issues do you have with legal pornography? I'd say at best it's a way for a couple to make money for simply recording something they enjoy doing together.

As pornography and the sex industry is very largely controlled by Criminal organisations, I doubt there are many un-tainted porn producers.

Because you see porn on the web do not be fooled that it is all voluntary.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
As pornography and the sex industry is very largely controlled by Criminal organisations, I doubt there are many un-tainted porn producers.

Because you see porn on the web do not be fooled that it is all voluntary.

People could be watching other people being raped like in the Linda Lovelace case.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss

Cynthia Cypher has given sufficient sources for now.

There are so many court cases and convictions, one would need to be in a state of denial not to know about the ramifications of the sex industry, and the entrapment of women.
No she didn't.
I asked for the source of the claim that the porn industry is run mostly by criminal organizations.

Perhaps between the two of you you can at the very least cite which of those articles linked to has that information?
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
So, again, the problem is the industry, and cultural attitudes and perceptions, not the sex and nudity in and of itself.
 

meogi

Well-Known Member
Cynthia Cypher said:
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/hughes.htm
I wish she'd explain or define 'sexual exploitation.' I honestly don't think it includes pornography... None of her articles are talking about pornography; they deal with forced prostitution and human trafficking. Which any sane person would be against.

I'm not sure what to make of Linda Lovelace... What Traynor did was bad (as is any man who beats a woman) but I think she needs to accept some of the responsibility herself, as co-workers dispute the 'forced into it' claims. I'm sure she later regretted some of her choices, but who doesn't?

[edit] I'm still not seeing where criminal organizations control the pornography industry... is Hugh Hefner a criminal? Adam and Eve? Time Warner?
 
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