Thief
Rogue Theologian
Then faith without proof will be sufficient?
And being a Christian, while not doing miracles for proof of it....
will also work?
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Why can't I go to heaven?
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Then faith without proof will be sufficient?
And being a Christian, while not doing miracles for proof of it....
will also work?
meddlehaze
Ambassador
Without proof?!
The fact that anyone believes is a miracle. I don't need to perform miracles to be a Christian. That word was first coined by the apostle Paul in Koine Greek.
Which was Χριστιανός - meaning - a follower of Christ
I looked up the definition of the suffix 'ian' and got:
(as a noun) native of, relating to.
Noun: related to, one that is
One doesn't have to perform physical miracles to be labeled as a Christian.
https://www.msu.edu/~defores1/gre/roots/gre_rts_afx3.htm?pagewanted=all
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
Which happens to be the point I was pushing.
Did you see it that way?
At this point we seem to agree.
religion99
Active Member
Then , they should always remain with you , which is not true. It is possible to remove
eyes or loose eyes and still be alive. Hence , they are not intrinsic part of the experiencer , but a medium to connect experienced and experiencer.
What I meant was : You cannot see "anything else" if there is no light even if your eyes are open. I didn't mean that you cannot experience light at all.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i'll put it another way
if the self had no senses it would cease to be self...since it would sense nothing.
godlikemadman
God Among Men
Thief
Rogue Theologian
And you say this because you don't believe in the afterlife.
Your thoughts and feelings are likely to continue.
But you will not need to speak or to write.
In the next life...your thoughts and feelings are no longer shielded.
You came into this life naked...you leave the same way.
The angels will be able to see you as you really are.
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religion99
Active Member
This implies that:
As long as the self has atleast one sense , it would always remain to be self..since it would always sense something.
Do you agree?
waitasec
Veteran Member
yes.
a venus fly trap has no eyes and no ears but it can sense touch...
without that sense it will die.
waitasec
Veteran Member
waitasec
Veteran Member
this elderly man had a lifetime of memories locked up in brain...
check this out....
Jill Bolte Taylor's stroke of insight | Video on TED.com
religion99
Active Member
According to this logic , "dead man" is alive because he definitely has skin. But , this is
contrary to empirical observation.
waitasec
Veteran Member
not at all. the skin is attached to the central nervous system which is dead.
religion99
Active Member
This contradicts your earlier statement:
"As long as the self has atleast one sense , it would always remain to be self".
Isn't skin one of the five senses?
waitasec
Veteran Member
it is to be assumed one is alive for these senses to make sense, yes? :yes:
if the central nervous system is dead so is the sense of touch, heat cold etc...
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Who told you an atheist is condemned to hell by definition? The Catholic Church does not say that.
But before you get too excited, I regret to tell you that the Virgin Mary did say to at least one credible visionary that most people in hell were those on earth who refused to beleive it existed. (she did not say that was the primary reason they were there, however, just that a higher percentage of total unbelievers in hell are there than those who believed in its existence.)
But before you get too excited, I regret to tell you that the Virgin Mary did say to at least one credible visionary that most people in hell were those on earth who refused to beleive it existed. (she did not say that was the primary reason they were there, however, just that a higher percentage of total unbelievers in hell are there than those who believed in its existence.)
Thief
Rogue Theologian
So I believe...
6billion copies of a form all of which learn of this world and then what?
Turn to dust?
No survivors?
We are here for a short time and then crumble into nothing?
So perhaps you don't believe in a Creator?
Then of course...you will crumble into dust.
There would be nothing to stop it.
The body was designed to expose your spirit to this reality.
Then back to God you go.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
no because religion99 asked me this question.
..do you mind?
Your quoting techniques make you a troll.
So you didn't get the answer you wanted?
Well....blah, blah, blah to you too.
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