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Debate: If God exists, why does God allow so much suffering?

Koldo

Outstanding Member
If this form of logic prevents a sadistic person from being happy from sadism, you'd be wrong?

If the sadist is performing something in detriment to someone else's happiness to get his own then he is using the wrong method to be happy.

As i said: "And then again it would only be right if it didn't destroy/prevent happiness from someone else..."
 

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Without suffering, how does one appreciate the opposing experience?
By imagining it.

“It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him."
So the man is crippled so that God/Jesus had someone to use as an exemplar? That seems very unfair on the man.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
By imagining it.
The empiricist in me says it's not possible to compose a mental image of something whose bits have not been experienced. What are the "bits" of "opposite of suffering" by which someone might compose a mental image of its opposite?
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Without suffering, how does one appreciate the opposing experience?
Without suffering, why would we need the opposing experience?

The only good things that come from suffering are means of evading or ignoring suffering. If there was no suffering, there would be no need for such things to exist in the first place, so why would the absence of them be a negative?
 

meddlehaze

Ambassador
By imagining it.
Do you suppose that your imagination is your reality?


So the man is crippled so that God/Jesus had someone to use as an exemplar? That seems very unfair on the man.
Maybe unfair to you, but how can you really judge what is fair and unfair without some form of transcendent objective morale?

Without suffering, why would we need the opposing experience?
Well, our brains require both experiences. We don't have enough endogenous serotonin to have continual happiness.

The only good things that come from suffering are means of evading or ignoring suffering. If there was no suffering, there would be no need for such things to exist in the first place, so why would the absence of them be a negative?
We would be ignorant of how glorious the experience of happiness is without suffering.
 

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Considering a fair chunk of the world fail to believe that He even exists, it cannot possibly be true that this is the best possible way to do that.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
And how do you justify humans being born into this condition?
Why don't we perceive absolute joy from the start?

Perhaps it is we who chose to be born into this condition, and we continued to see the rope as a snake. The rope can be a metaphor for True Reality, while the snake a metaphor for Illusion. We live the Illusion, having mistaken it for True Reality. Remember Plato's Cave Allegory?
 
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