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The Homosexuals Of Alderaan Want Your Children

Me Myself

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Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

nevertheless, he told his disciples that they don´t have to take the same precautions with food that others jews took, he said it was not okay to stone the adulterer, he healed on sabath, said the thing with divorce was a misinterpretation and not the way God intended, etc, etc, etc.

Judge Jesus by his fruits too. He plainly went against the jewish law persistently. There is no reason to believe that people thatreceived the law from the OT changed it like they changed that law of the divorce, or where as wrong as with stonning the adulterer.
 

Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
Consider the following:

Wikipedia said:
A consensus has developed among the medical, psychological, and social welfare communities that children raised by gay and lesbian parents are just as likely to be well-adjusted as those raised by heterosexual parents.

The research supporting this conclusion is accepted beyond serious debate in the field of developmental psychology. Based on the robust nature of the evidence available in the field, Third District Court of Appeal State of Florida was satisfied in 2010 that the issue is so far beyond dispute that it would be irrational to hold otherwise; the best interests of children are not preserved by prohibiting homosexual adoption.


The existing body of research on outcomes for children with LGBT parents includes limited studies that consider the specific case of adoption. Moreover, where studies do mention adoption they often fail to distinguish between outcomes for unrelated children versus those in their original family or step-families, causing research on the more general case of LGBT parenting to be used to counter the claims of LGBT-adoption opponents. One study has addressed the question directly, evaluating the outcomes of adoptees less than 3-years old who had been placed in one of 56 lesbian and gay households since infancy. Despite the small sample and the fact that the children have yet to become aware of their adoption status or the dynamics of gender development, the study found no significant associations between parental sexual orientation and child adjustment, making the results consistent with notions that two parents of the same gender can be capable parents and that parental sexual orientation is not related to parenting skill or child adjustment. The findings point to the positive capabilities of lesbian and gay couples as adoptive parents.
 

Agnostic75

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Kids with Lesbian Parents May Do Better Than Their Peers - TIME

time.com said:
June 7, 2010

Study: Children of Lesbians May Do Better Than Their Peers

The teen years are never the easiest for any family to navigate. But could they be even more challenging for children and parents in households headed by gay parents?
That is the question researchers explored in the first study ever to track children raised by lesbian parents, from birth to adolescence. Although previous studies have indicated that children with same-sex parents show no significant differences compared with children in heterosexual homes when it comes to social development and adjustment, many of those investigations involved children who were born to women in heterosexual marriages, who later divorced and came out as lesbians.

For their new study, published on Monday in the journal Pediatrics, researchers Nanette Gartrell, a professor of psychiatry at the University of California at San Francisco (and a law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles), and Henry Bos, a behavioral scientist at the University of Amsterdam, focused on what they call planned lesbian families — households in which the mothers identified themselves as lesbian at the time of artificial insemination.

Data on such families are sparse, but they are important for establishing whether a child's environment in a home with same-sex parents would be any more or less nurturing than one with a heterosexual couple.

The authors found that children raised by lesbian mothers — whether the mother was partnered or single — scored very similarly to children raised by heterosexual parents on measures of development and social behavior. These findings were expected, the authors said; however, they were surprised to discover that children in lesbian homes scored higher than kids in straight families on some psychological measures of self-esteem and confidence, did better academically and were less likely to have behavioral problems, such as rule-breaking and aggression.

"We simply expected to find no difference in psychological adjustment between adolescents reared in lesbian families and the normative sample of age-matched controls," says Gartrell. "I was surprised to find that on some measures we found higher levels of [psychological] competency and lower levels of behavioral problems. It wasn't something I anticipated."

In addition, children in same-sex-parent families whose mothers ended up separating did as well as children in lesbian families in which the moms stayed together.

The data that Gartrell and Bos analyzed came from the U.S. National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study (NLLFS), begun in 1986. The authors included 154 women in 84 families who underwent artificial insemination to start a family; the parents agreed to answer questions about their children's social skills, academic performance and behavior at five follow-up times over the 17-year study period. Children in the families were interviewed by researchers at age 10 and were then asked at age 17 to complete an online questionnaire, which included queries about the teens' activities, social lives, feelings of anxiety or depression, and behavior.

Not surprisingly, the researchers found that 41% of children reported having endured some teasing, ostracism or discrimination related to their being raised by same-sex parents. But Gartrell and Bos could find no differences on psychological adjustment tests between the children and those in a group of matched controls. At age 10, children reporting discrimination did exhibit more signs of psychological stress than their peers, but by age 17, the feelings had dissipated. "Obviously there are some factors that may include family support and changes in education about appreciation for diversity that may be helping young people to come to a better place despite these experiences," says Gartrell.

It's not clear exactly why children of lesbian mothers tend to do better than those in heterosexual families on certain measures. But after studying gay and lesbian families for 24 years, Gartrell has some theories. "They are very involved in their children's lives," she says of the lesbian parents. "And that is a great recipe for healthy outcomes for children. Being present, having good communication, being there in their schools, finding out what is going on in their schools and various aspects of the children's lives is very, very important."

Although active involvement isn't unique to lesbian households, Gartrell notes that same-sex mothers tend to make that kind of parenting more of a priority. Because their children are more likely to experience discrimination and stigmatization as a result of their family circumstances, these mothers can be more likely to broach complicated topics, such as sexuality and diversity and tolerance, with their children early on. Having such a foundation may help to give these children more confidence and maturity in dealing with social differences and prejudices as they get older.
Because the research is ongoing, Gartrell hopes to test some of these theories with additional studies. She is also hoping to collect more data on gay-father households; gay fatherhood is less common than lesbian motherhood because of the high costs of surrogacy or adoption that gay couples face in order to start a family.
 
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Draka

Wonder Woman
Meow Mix does bring up a great point about where the samples are being taken from. If you are taking a sample to represent homosexuals from gay bars and the like then you are bound to get different kinds of responses than if you are getting your sample from, say, a PTA. Same goes for heterosexuals. If you based the view of heterosexuals on a sample taken from bars and clubs or even frat houses and such, you're going to get an entirely different view than if you were to take a sample from a PTA meeting or a church bake sale. Unless one can see exactly where such samples are being taken then just putting forth results from a "representative sample" doesn't really fly well.

It's like going to a strip club to ask straight men how their family life is versus going to a park and asking men with their children how their family life is. You're probably going to get two completely different sets of answers.
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
nevertheless, he told his disciples that they don´t have to take the same precautions with food that others jews took, he said it was not okay to stone the adulterer, he healed on sabath, said the thing with divorce was a misinterpretation and not the way God intended, etc, etc, etc.

Judge Jesus by his fruits too. He plainly went against the jewish law persistently. There is no reason to believe that people thatreceived the law from the OT changed it like they changed that law of the divorce, or where as wrong as with stonning the adulterer.


Keep in mind that he constantly broke the pharisees' law. Those were not laws found in the OT but were laws created by Jewish leaders to promote "holiness"
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
Keep in mind that he constantly broke the pharisees' law. Those were not laws found in the OT but were laws created by Jewish leaders to promote "holiness"

What the heck are you talking about, did you miss the entire bit in the bible where Moses comes down from the mountain and dictates a bunch of laws?
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
Seems Jungle is promoting a pick and choose theology. Either we don't have to follow the OT laws or we do. You can't pick and choose which to obey without a good reason.
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
Seems Jungle is promoting a pick and choose theology. Either we don't have to follow the OT laws or we do. You can't pick and choose which to obey without a good reason.

No, no it's only picking and choosing when those bleeding heart liberals do it to maybe say that Jesus promoted tolerance, peace and understanding. When the conservative fundamentalist do it it's the truth and how it is and what Jesus really wanted.
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
What the heck are you talking about, did you miss the entire bit in the bible where Moses comes down from the mountain and dictates a bunch of laws?


Matthew 15:

1Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2“Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4“For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH5“But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” 6he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7“You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:

8‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
9‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’”
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
Matthew 15:

1Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2“Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4“For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH5“But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” 6he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7“You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:

8‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
9‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’”

My irony meter just exploded.
 

Me Myself

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Matthew 15:

1Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2“Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4“For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH5“But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” 6he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7“You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:

8‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
9‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’”

Do you have a point?

Jesus called what they taught the teachings of men, and most of those teachings can be found in the OT. So, then, OT is not a 100% reliable source of information if you take Jesus word, because in his word, it confuses teachings of men with those teachings that are from God.
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
Do you have a point?

Jesus called what they taught the teachings of men, and most of those teachings can be found in the OT. So, then, OT is not a 100% reliable source of information if you take Jesus word, because in his word, it confuses teachings of men with those teachings that are from God.

show me
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
Matthew 15:

1Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2“Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4“For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.’ 5“But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” 6he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7“You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:

8‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
9‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’”

so jungle, why do you transgress the commandment of god for the sake of your tradition...hmmm?
what's the second greatest commandment again?
:tsk:
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
0_0 for real? What book are you reading?

Do you really think they are not?


If you're refering to the parts of the OT that call for stoning people who commit adultery verses Jesus who said not to judge one's neighbor and who saved tohe woman about to be stones I already addressed that. There is no contradiction. There are two covenants in the Bible, the one with Abe and the one through Jesus. The OT was simply a tool to mold an uncivilized people who had just been introduced to the concept of God, the destination were the ways that Jesus introduced
 

Me Myself

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If you're refering to the parts of the OT that call for stoning people who commit adultery verses Jesus who said not to judge one's neighbor and who saved tohe woman about to be stones I already addressed that. There is no contradiction. There are two covenants in the Bible, the one with Abe and the one through Jesus. The OT was simply a tool to mold an uncivilized people who had just been introduced to the concept of God, the destination were the ways that Jesus introduced

Perfect, then you understand that if the OT is the only reason why you believe homosexuality was forbiden to everyone by God then you can give it up already.

You just said it, it was a tool for a specific time and people. Not for eveyrone at any time.

Jesus never condemned homosexuality.

Simple?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
If you're refering to the parts of the OT that call for stoning people who commit adultery verses Jesus who said not to judge one's neighbor and who saved tohe woman about to be stones I already addressed that. There is no contradiction. There are two covenants in the Bible, the one with Abe and the one through Jesus. The OT was simply a tool to mold an uncivilized people who had just been introduced to the concept of God, the destination were the ways that Jesus introduced

do you eat bacon or shrimp tacos
did you ever talk back to your parents
ever wear cotton and polyester at the same time
how about working on the sabbath
did your dad sell your sister into slavery to pay off any debts

what was the 2nd most important commandment and why do you transgress the commandment of god for the sake of your tradition?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
Perfect, then you understand that if the OT is the only reason why you believe homosexuality was forbiden to everyone by God then you can give it up already.

You just said it, it was a tool for a specific time and people. Not for eveyrone at any time.

Jesus never condemned homosexuality.

Simple?

yup...
 
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