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Science doesn't disprove the bible,Sometimes it proves events in it, evidence

God is love

Active Member
The prophesies in the bible reveals insights on a variety of science subjects, sometimes thousands of years ahead of it's time

1. "Paths in the Sea" Matthew Morray {father of oceanography} read Psalms 8:8
"The fowl of the air and the fish of the sea and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the sea" After reading this in Psalms, Matthew Morray discovered sea currents and trade winds.

2. Ecclesiastes 1:6 described winds blowing in cyclonic patterns. That wasn't confirmed till Benjamine franklin in late 1700's
"The wind goeth toward the south and turneth about unto the north, it whirleth about continually and the wind returneth again according to his circuits."

3. Isaiah 40:22 mentions that the earth is a sphere which wasn't accepted until 2200 years afterwards
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"

Other scientific principles mentioned in bible are that each star is different and light is in motion. these weren't confirmed till the 20th century.

The tower of babel
Cuniform tablets mention Shinar, the place mentioned in the bible as the place where the tower of babel was built. Alexander the great mentioned seeing the ruins of the tower of babel which is modern day Iraq. Linguists have traced the origins to the various languages to this area as well as race origins.

The burning bush
It wasn't consumed by fire. There is a bush named the "gas plant" with white and purple flowers that produces an oil that is so volatile that it can be ignited by the sun.

The plagues mentioned in the bible were also recorded on anciant Egyptian papyrus, a document called "ipular" {spelled as it sounded}

parting of the red sea
In 1799 Napolean's engineers discovered a underwater bridge some 600 feet wide that extended from shore to shore. they calculated the right time for crossing the 5.2 miles when the east wind would blow enough to clear the sea bed of water. Napolean barely escaped when a sudden change in the wind"s direction brought an onrush of water that covered the strip in minutes.

God can use nature, especially if He created it to cause supernatural events, in this case all He needed to use was wind. The ridge was already there.

Jericho
Astronomers discovered that a solar eclipse occured at the time Jericho fell. Archeologists found evidence of earthquake activity. In allmost every building there were
+ big jars of grain. usually that would have been plundered to eat, especially a hungry army would want to eat this wheat but the Israelites were forbidden to plunder the city.

Virgin conceiving
I want to preface this with this statement, that the following example that I am using to illustate IS NOT saying, that is how the Virgin Mary conceived. I do not know how, only God knows, but I want to show ways were available to God then.
The following example is artificial Insemination. Artificial Insemination makes it possible for a virgin to conceive. That is not the primary reason that woman choose to conceive that way. It is to be able to conceive but some have chosen this method who wish to be single or not have relations with men.

A supremem being, Heavenly Father or Father God could have known a way that would make it possible to conceive and preserve virginity at the same time.

Science in a way is playing catch up to God or to a Supreme Intelligence. They are playing catch up to what God ot supremem Intelligence already knows and can do.

We've learned to make computers but I believe a Supreme Intelligence made a brain that works like a computer and has independent thought.

Science hasn't disproven the bible or the very existence of God. In some ways, sometimes, it has proven the bible's accuracy of historical events and principles of science ahead of it's time and at the very least, the possiblitity of a Supreme Intelligence.

The Immaculate Conception isn't a ridiculous notion anymore.
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
And there are many parts of the bible that have been disproven by science. Your point?

Plus most of this seems to be very... unbelievable... please cite some sources here...
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
God is love said:
1. "Paths in the Sea" Matthew Morray {father of oceanography} read Psalms 8:8 "The fowl of the air and the fish of the sea and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the sea" After reading this in Psalms, Matthew Morray discovered sea currents and trade winds.
First... that's Matthew Maury. ;) I haven't been able to find anything that says he was the first to realize they were there, just that he was very involved in mapping those winds and currents. Given that the 'trade' in 'trade winds' comes from old English, I'm going to take a guess and say this was old knowledge that he just expanded upon. If anything led him to mapping those, I'd say it was his involvement in the Navy, not sitting down, reading a verse, and saying "I think I'll go map that!"

2. Ecclesiastes 1:6 described winds blowing in cyclonic patterns. That wasn't confirmed till Benjamine franklin in late 1700's
"The wind goeth toward the south and turneth about unto the north, it whirleth about continually and the wind returneth again according to his circuits."
The only thing I can find similar to this was that he found that weather moves across the globe rather than being a localized event. If you really want to stretch it, that matches the verse.
3. Isaiah 40:22 mentions that the earth is a sphere which wasn't accepted until 2200 years afterwards
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"
Nope. Any sailor that had ever been on a ship could see that the horizon makes a gradual curve. Atlas and Aristotle, anyone?
Other scientific principles mentioned in bible are that each star is different and light is in motion. these weren't confirmed till the 20th century.
Verses for this?
The tower of babel
Cuniform tablets mention Shinar, the place mentioned in the bible as the place where the tower of babel was built. Alexander the great mentioned seeing the ruins of the tower of babel which is modern day Iraq. Linguists have traced the origins to the various languages to this area as well as race origins.
Since when? I thought the accepted theory was 'out of Africa', not 'out of the Middle East'? I don't really keep up with new findings on evolution, though, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong. :)

For the record, Alexander the Great also said his father was Zeus.
The burning bush
It wasn't consumed by fire. There is a bush named the "gas plant" with white and purple flowers that produces an oil that is so volatile that it can be ignited by the sun.
This plant also isn't native to Southwest Asia.
The plagues mentioned in the bible were also recorded on anciant Egyptian papyrus, a document called "ipular" {spelled as it sounded}
Source? And for the record, I'm pretty sure nobody knows how Egyptian sounded. Unless they've found a new Rosetta stone that explains pronunciation that I'm not aware of (or I'm totally off base, which is also possible).
parting of the red sea
Sea of Reeds.

That's all I'm saying.
Virgin conceiving
How does citing that we can use semen to artificially insemniate a virgin prove that Jesus was born from a virgin?
 
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Mr. X

New Member
God is love said:
3. Isaiah 40:22 mentions that the earth is a sphere which wasn't accepted until 2200 years afterwards
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"
Just to point out, as I recall from geometry class, a circle is a flat object and it is not the same thing as a round sphere. The world being flat was widely accept before science proved it was a sphere.
 

robtex

Veteran Member
I don't think that science, as a study does not have any more interest in the Bible than it does in the latest fashion trends or 5 card-draw poker. It is interesting how so many proponets of Christianty are so vigilant in pushing the bible in science while scientists are very apathtic to bringing the bible into science.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
God is love said:
3. Isaiah 40:22 mentions that the earth is a sphere which wasn't accepted until 2200 years afterwards
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"
Eratosthenes. Librarian of Alexandria. Mathematician. Obtained a very good result on the circumference of the Earth. The accuracy of his observation is debated due to lack of exactly the measurement of a stadia. Accepted lengths all give his observation a good to very good measurement.

Observations of shadows on the moon led to the deduction that the Earth is a sphere by Greek scholars.

I think it is safe to assume that the Earth as a sphere was deduced by scholars in antiquity rather than assigning them to ignorance because they lacked knowledge of the Old Testament.
 

Eynah

Member
The only thing I will say to this is that the Bible was written by mortal men who lived on this earth. Do you really expect that there wouldn't be some things that would make sense? That science couldn't prove some of it? That doesn't make the bible any more true, it just means that someone who lived on the earth noticed things around them and noted it.
 

Flappycat

Well-Known Member
No, the scientists are not going to revise their findings to fit your dogma. They will, however, give you a pill to keep you from being too unhappy about it. It's never been about proving or disproving creation myths. They've been largely indifferent since the beginning.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
The burning bush
It wasn't consumed by fire. There is a bush named the "gas plant" with white and purple flowers that produces an oil that is so volatile that it can be ignited by the sun.
source please... can't seem to find any referance to a "gas plant" in any of my usual sources.

the Admonitions of Ipuwar is a copy of an older papyrus that has some superficial resemblance to the "plauges" of Egypt, it can not be dated to have been from a specific time.... but it does seem to tie into the period of transition from the Old kingdom to the New kingdom... a time of poor flooding of the nile, famine and bad drinking water. It fits in a writing style known as "Books of wisdom", morality tales and expressions of ultimate ideals and perfection.. and concequences of not following them.
http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/texts/ipuwer.htm

In 1799 Napolean's engineers discovered a underwater bridge some 600 feet wide that extended from shore to shore. they calculated the right time for crossing the 5.2 miles when the east wind would blow enough to clear the sea bed of water. Napolean barely escaped when a sudden change in the wind"s direction brought an onrush of water that covered the strip in minutes.
source please... I can't find any mention of this incident.
Astronomers discovered that a solar eclipse occured at the time Jericho fell. Archeologists found evidence of earthquake activity. In allmost every building there were
+ big jars of grain. usually that would have been plundered to eat, especially a hungry army would want to eat this wheat but the Israelites were to plunder the city.
once again source please... I've never heard of a solar eclipse being dated to the first Jericho earthquake... nor have I heard of grain being found preserved in the excavated areas.

wa:do
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
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Mr. X said:
Just to point out, as I recall from geometry class, a circle is a flat object and it is not the same thing as a round sphere. The world being flat was widely accept before science proved it was a sphere.
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