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Is human cloning producing Nephilim

Pah

Uber all member
A Press Release
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/7/prweb258612.htm

Is Human Cloning Really A New Biomedical Breakthrough?
Human cloning in the laboratory is inevitable and will bring with it disastrous consequences, according to Matthew Omaye Ajiake, author of Nephilim: The First Human Clones. Ajiake makes a case for the existence of human clones in Old Testament times in the form of the Nephilim, descendants of Cain, one of the sons of Adam. The Nephilim were referred to as “giants” and “the fallen ones” – unnatural and grotesque creatures.

(PRWEB) July 7, 2005 -- In 1996, Dolly the sheep became the first surviving mammal known to be conceived by laboratory cloning. Other animals since Dolly, including horses and cattle, have been created using this method. The biotechnology used to create a human clone is essentially the same as that used to clone animals.

Human cloning in the laboratory is inevitable and will bring with it disastrous consequences, according to Matthew Omaye Ajiake, author of Nephilim: The First Human Clones.

Ajiake makes a case for the existence of human clones in Old Testament times in the form of the Nephilim, descendants of Cain, one of the sons of Adam. The Nephilim were referred to as “giants” and “the fallen ones” – unnatural and grotesque creatures.

Because Cain had murdered his brother Abel, Cain and his descendants were cursed by God and destined to become extinct after seven generations, according to biblical passages cited by Ajiake.

He writes that Lamech, a sixth-generation descendant of Cain, tried to escape this annihilation by creating clones of himself through a process that involved women from the lineage of Seth, another son of Adam. Son of Man.

Ajiake contends that the Nephilim were the first nihilists, having no respect for traditional values and beliefs, seeing existence as senseless and God as irrelevant. This attitude, also adopted by most other people of the era, brought about God’s appeal for humankind to repent.

God selected Noah to be the messenger of His call for repentance, and to build an ark as protection against a great flood that was to come if humanity failed to change its ways. No one heeded the warning call, and all humans except Noah and his family were destroyed by the flood.

Ajaike’s central message is that the world today is parallel to that of Noah’s time and that by ignoring God’s principles, humanity will bring destruction on itself.

He quotes Jesus saying, “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man (the Second Coming of Christ).”

Part of the great evil of our time, Ajiake believes, is seen in attempts to create and manipulate life through the cloning process.

Proof that cloning is a perversion of nature and God’s purpose can be seen in the fact that the majority of cloned animals never survive, and that those who do are often oversized and demonstrate other physical anomalies, Ajiake says. He uses internationally respected authorities on cloning to support his argument.

“The greatest challenge in dealing with human cloning will come when we see an assortment of cloned humans and other creatures – from designer pets to designer babies to obscene hybrids,” Ajiake writes. “The process of human cloning has the potential to result in more loss of life than any catastrophic event modern mankind has ever experienced.”

For a review copy of the book or to set up an interview with Matthew Ajiake for a story, please contact Jay Wilke at 727-443-7115, ext. 223.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Never having heard of Nephilim, I cannot say that I am surprized; I am personally of the opinion that we humans are fast outgrowing our actual abilities - in that we have the science to create and manipulate what I consider to be God, or nature's domain.:(
 

Stormygale

Member
Can you imagine how cloning is going to be. If it got out of hand, there could be another you walking around. We could have people with two heads, or people with bionic super ablities, once however, the correct sequence and art is mastered.
I do not believe though that a clone will have the same mind and soul as to say, as the real person, if cloning ever went that far. No. But, I must wonder, if the DNA was exact, I mean exact, maybe, it could form a whole new YOU with same body, thoughts, desires, moods...etc. You never know.
As with the quoted text and meaning from the story of Noah, it is too easy, too much of a long shot to just pick out a part of the bible and say it could happen here and now. Those texts could be referring to anything, or nothing at all.
 

Cynic

Well-Known Member
Pah said:
A Press Release
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/7/prweb258612.htm

Is Human Cloning Really A New Biomedical Breakthrough?
Human cloning in the laboratory is inevitable and will bring with it disastrous consequences, according to Matthew Omaye Ajiake, author of Nephilim: The First Human Clones. Ajiake makes a case for the existence of human clones in Old Testament times in the form of the Nephilim, descendants of Cain, one of the sons of Adam. The Nephilim were referred to as “giants” and “the fallen ones” – unnatural and grotesque creatures.
How can this guy make these assumptions, when the OT does not even elaborate much information on the Nephilim. "Giants" could refer not to physical characterictics, but say political stature for instance. The OT says nothing about them being grotesque, says nothing about cloning, etc.

The process of human cloning has the potential to result in more loss of life than any catastrophic event modern mankind has ever experienced
Really? Attack of the human clones? I guess those terrorists might build an army of cloned Osama Bin Ladens.
 

Cynic

Well-Known Member
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Ge 6:4 - Show Context The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of man, who bore children to them. They were the powerful men of old, the famous men.



Nu 13:33 - Show Context We even saw the Nephilim there." (The offspring of Anak were descended from the Nephilim. ) "To ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and we must have seemed the same to them."
Nope, don't see anything about cloning.
 

Cynic

Well-Known Member
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Genesis 4:19-22
19 Lamech took two wives for himself, one named Adah and the other named Zillah.20 Adah bore Jabal; he was the father of the nomadic herdsmen. 21 His brother was named Jubal; he was the father of all who play the lyre and the flute. 22 Zillah bore Tubal-cain, who made all kinds of bronze and iron tools. Tubal-cain's sister was Naamah.
Don't see anything about lamech producing clones either.

It's also amazing how this man acquired such cloning technology, but people hundreds of years later did not have the technology to predict 40 days and 40 nights of thunderstorming, Not to mention Noah didn't take the DNA of any animals, but archaically marched them all into his wooden ship.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Ive never heard of the Nephilim. I wonder what version of the Bible that guy is reading?

I think the clone would be souless, until a wondering spirit possesses it. That would essentially make it that spirit as a person. But I am also sure that if the clone were allowed to go to a public school, a fake pair of parents would have to be made up for the clone to avoid the clone being an automatic outcast and a mass amount of being made fun of and name calling.
 
This: (read it all at http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/s...1437701,00.html)

"The first chimeric experiment occurred many years ago when scientists in Edinburgh fused a sheep and goat embryo - two unrelated animal species that are incapable of mating and producing a hybrid offspring. The resulting creature, called a geep, was born with the head of a goat and the body of a sheep.

Now, scientists have their sights trained on breaking the final taboo in the natural world - crossing humans and animals to create new human-animal hybrids. Already, aside from the humanised mouse, scientists have created pigs with human blood and sheep with livers and hearts that are mostly human.

The experiments are designed to advance medical research. Indeed, a growing number of genetic engineers argue that human-animal hybrids will usher in a golden era of medicine. Researchers say that the more humanised they can make research animals, the better able they will be to model the progression of human diseases, test new drugs, and harvest tissues and organs for transplantation. What they fail to mention is that there are equally promising and less invasive alternatives to these bizarre experiments, including computer modeling, in vitro tissue culture, nanotechnology, and prostheses to substitute for human tissue and organs.

Some researchers are speculating about human-chimpanzee chimeras - creating a humanzee. This would be the ideal laboratory research animal because chimpanzees are so closely related to us. Chimps share 98% of the human genome, and a fully mature chimp has the equivalent mental abilities and consciousness of a four-year-old human.

Fusing a human and chimpanzee embryo - which researchers say is feasible - could produce a creature so human that questions regarding its moral and legal status would throw 4,000 years of ethics into chaos. Would such a creature enjoy human rights? Would it have to pass some kind of "humanness" test to win its freedom? Would it be forced into doing menial labour or be used to perform dangerous activities?

The possibilities are mind-boggling. For example, what if human stem cells - the primordial cells that turn into the body's 200 or so cell types - were to be injected into an animal embryo and spread throughout the animal's body into every organ? Some human cells could migrate to the testes and ovaries where they could grow into human sperm and eggs. If two of the chimeric mice were to mate, they could potentially conceive a human embryo. If the human embryo were to be removed and implanted in a human womb, the resulting human baby's biological parents would have been mice.

Please understand that none of this is science fiction. The National Academy of Sciences, America's most august scientific body, is expected to issue guidelines for chimeric research some time next month, anticipating a flurry of new experiments in the burgeoning field of human-animal chimeric experimentation.

Bioethicists are already clearing the moral path for human-animal chimeric experiments, arguing that once society gets past the revulsion factor, the prospect of new, partially human creatures has much to offer the human race. And, of course, this is exactly the kind of reasoning that has been put forth to justify what is fast becoming a journey into a brave new world in which all of nature can be ruthlessly manipulated. But now, with human-animal chimeric experiments, we risk even undermining our own species' biological integrity in the name of human progress. With chimeric technology, scientists have the power to rewrite the evolutionary saga - to sprinkle parts of our species into the rest of the animal kingdom as well as fuse parts of other species with our own genome and even to create new human sub-species and super-species. Are we on the cusp of a biological renaissance, or sowing the seeds of our destruction?



The first chimeric experiment occurred many years ago when scientists in Edinburgh fused a sheep and goat embryo - two unrelated animal species that are incapable of mating and producing a hybrid offspring. The resulting creature, called a geep, was born with the head of a goat and the body of a sheep.

Now, scientists have their sights trained on breaking the final taboo in the natural world - crossing humans and animals to create new human-animal hybrids. Already, aside from the humanised mouse, scientists have created pigs with human blood and sheep with livers and hearts that are mostly human.

The experiments are designed to advance medical research. Indeed, a growing number of genetic engineers argue that human-animal hybrids will usher in a golden era of medicine. Researchers say that the more humanised they can make research animals, the better able they will be to model the progression of human diseases, test new drugs, and harvest tissues and organs for transplantation. What they fail to mention is that there are equally promising and less invasive alternatives to these bizarre experiments, including computer modeling, in vitro tissue culture, nanotechnology, and prostheses to substitute for human tissue and organs.

Some researchers are speculating about human-chimpanzee chimeras - creating a humanzee. This would be the ideal laboratory research animal because chimpanzees are so closely related to us. Chimps share 98% of the human genome, and a fully mature chimp has the equivalent mental abilities and consciousness of a four-year-old human.

Fusing a human and chimpanzee embryo - which researchers say is feasible - could produce a creature so human that questions regarding its moral and legal status would throw 4,000 years of ethics into chaos. Would such a creature enjoy human rights? Would it have to pass some kind of "humanness" test to win its freedom? Would it be forced into doing menial labour or be used to perform dangerous activities?

The possibilities are mind-boggling. For example, what if human stem cells - the primordial cells that turn into the body's 200 or so cell types - were to be injected into an animal embryo and spread throughout the animal's body into every organ? Some human cells could migrate to the testes and ovaries where they could grow into human sperm and eggs. If two of the chimeric mice were to mate, they could potentially conceive a human embryo. If the human embryo were to be removed and implanted in a human womb, the resulting human baby's biological parents would have been mice.

Please understand that none of this is science fiction. The National Academy of Sciences, America's most august scientific body, is expected to issue guidelines for chimeric research some time next month, anticipating a flurry of new experiments in the burgeoning field of human-animal chimeric experimentation.

Bioethicists are already clearing the moral path for human-animal chimeric experiments, arguing that once society gets past the revulsion factor, the prospect of new, partially human creatures has much to offer the human race. And, of course, this is exactly the kind of reasoning that has been put forth to justify what is fast becoming a journey into a brave new world in which all of nature can be ruthlessly manipulated. But now, with human-animal chimeric experiments, we risk even undermining our own species' biological integrity in the name of human progress. With chimeric technology, scientists have the power to rewrite the evolutionary saga - to sprinkle parts of our species into the rest of the animal kingdom as well as fuse parts of other species with our own genome and even to create new human sub-species and super-species. Are we on the cusp of a biological renaissance, or sowing the seeds of our destruction? " Hasn't anybody on this thread read The Rats from NIHM?!?
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Yes - the title is correct! A distinguished molecular biologist, Irving Weissman, at Stanford University is doing experiment to "crioss" a human and a mouse, by injecting human brain cells into the foetuses of mice, creating a strain of mice that are approximately 1% human. Weissman is considering follow-up experiments which will produce mice whose brains are 100% human. (If you Google "Irving Weissman" you will find plenty about him)

The results of animals with human brains make the mind boggle, to say the least! How would it all end up? Surely Christians in the US can demonstrate about this work? Stem cell research is one thing, but making a half human-half animal being is, I am sure, beyond, far beyond what is acceptable!
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'Human-cow' created
From The Sunday Times' Jonathan Leake
September 15, 2003



A CONTROVERSIAL cloning scientist is to announce he has created "human-cow" embryos that lived for about a fortnight and theoretically could have been implanted into a woman's womb.

Panayiotis Zavos, who runs a fertility laboratory in the US, made the hybrid embryos by inserting human DNA into the eggs of a cow.


Professor Zavos said the human-cow embryos were "theoretically viable" but emphasised that he had no plans to allow such a hybrid to be born.

"We are not trying to create monsters," he said, claiming his aim was to perfect his cloning techniques without the ethical problems involved in the use of human egg cells.

Professor Zavos said the embryos grew to several hundred cells and appeared to have normal DNA. He will announce the breakthrough at a meeting in London today.

He added that the hybrids had grown beyond the stage, known as differentiation, at which cells showed the first signs of developing into tissues and organs.This is a crucial test because it implies that the human chromosomes, which contain the DNA, have been left intact. Other people who claim to have created human clones have failed to produce evidence. Professor Zavos's work is taken seriously by some of the scientific community.

 
Environmentalists sound alarm over man-made virus

By Charles Arthur, Technology Editor



14 November 2003

Scientists from the United States have created a simple virus from scratch, assembling more than 5,000 DNA building blocks, which they say could eventually lead to genetically-modified organisms able to eat carbon dioxide and clean the environment.

The idea provoked immediate opposition from environmental campaigners who branded it "very dangerous and a bit madcap" and warned that such organisms could run amok.

Led by Dr Craig Venter, the scientist who became famous for his commercial drive in the unravelling of the human genome, the team at the Institute for Biological Energy Alternatives stitched together the DNA of a bacteriophage - a virus which infects bacteria, not humans - using pieces of DNA available commercially. Spencer Abraham, the US Energy Secretary, suggested that it would lead to genetic manipulation of new organisms to solve pressing problems such as rising levels of carbon dioxide leading to climate change.



Roger Hickman, climate campaigner at the pressure group Friends of the Earth, said: "I can't see why what looks like a risky strategy, using GM bacteria, is being pursued over more sensible strategies like better energy efficiency Sounds like a forecast of things to come during the Tribulation doesn't it? There is a section in Revelation that talks about the trees and green grass disappearing. Today's headlines seem to sound more and more like the book of Revelation every day. Truly we are the Terminal Generation.


Man-Beast Hybrid Created In 1996
[Original headline: Man-beast hybrid beyond talking stage - Human DNA in cow egg]



Melding man and beast may sound like the stuff of science fiction, but it's not.

Amid all the advances in genetic manipulation, the idea of combining the DNA of animals and humans has gone beyond the talking stage -- it's been attempted.

Indeed, many scientists and academics are wondering how far it might go and what the ethical implications would be. If a human were crossed with a chimpanzee, for example, would it still be human? And if not, then what would it be?

The first publicized case of animal-human hybrids took place in 1996 when Jose Cibelli, a scientist at the University of Massachusetts, took DNA from his white blood cells by swabbing the inside of his cheek. He then inserted the DNA sample into a hollowed-out cow egg.

Cibelli's experiment came to an end after a week of growing the cell mass, he told scientists earlier this month at a panel meeting of the National Academy of Sciences in Washington, D.C.

This raised the question of what might have emerged had the cell mass continued to develop.

"As far as we know, it would still look like a human being, but some of the characteristics of individual cells might be slightly different," said James Cross, a molecular biologist at the University of Calgary who attended the meeting.

If such an embryo could develop, he said, the result would resemble a human being but carry bovine mitochondria, the energy-producing component of every cell. This is because the cow's egg shell, or cytoplasm, contains genetic materials known as mitochondrial DNA.

"This suggests that we can create new human-animal species," said Jeremy Rifkin, biotechnology critic and president of the Washington-based Foundation on Economic Trends.

Rifkin called the experiment "the most extraordinary single development in the history of biotechnology."

Such experiments have become public only when the makers of hybrids, who fund their operations through investor capital, apply to patent their inventions.

In partnership with Massachusetts-based Advanced Cell Technology, Cibelli came out from under a shroud of secrecy in 1998 when the firm applied to patent the alleged invention.

Last October, Greenpeace Germany dug up a patent claim for a similar human-animal hybrid, only this time it involved a pig. U.S.-based Biotransplant and Australia-based Stem Cell Sciences grew a pig-human embryo to 32 cells before ending its life.

"If the embryo had lived, it would be 95% human," said Michael Khoo, a genetic engineering campaigner for Greenpeace's Toronto branch. "The possibilities are not only frightening, but it's unknown just how many other similar patent applications are out there."

Meanwhile, critics and futurists are having a field day speculating on the future of biotechnology.

"Chimpanzees share between 95% and 98% of our genes, so the prospect of creating a human-chimpanzee hybrid are highly probable," Rifkin said. "The question becomes: What percentage of human genes will it take before human rights kick in? Would a hybrid have to look and talk like a human before it can get human rights?"

While the concept of making and owning such a creation for 20 years under patent law is controversial to say the least, the science behind combining animal eggs and human DNA could be useful, said Cross. "In the case of Dolly, it took 277 eggs to get the sheep. In normal IVF programs, the number of eggs you get usually ranges between five and 10. So, to solve a potential shortage, some scientists have considered using an egg from a different species to house human DNA." While such an attempt to improve the egg supply may be scientifically possible, people are not ready for such a brave new world which involves crossing the species barrier, said Diane Cox, who chairs the medical genetics department at the University of Alberta. "Right now, technology is way ahead of ethics. The Canadian population is worried enough about relatively trivial things, let alone such a bizarre concept."
 
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