Why can't some people accept that the Israelites were black?

The Sparda · Jan 20, 2012

Caladan said:
Correction: this is a Religious Education Forum. people will challenge you for making claims that you cannot support academically or objectivally.

You are again wrong. history again disppoints the conspiracy theorists, but proves to be just as exciting. the Khazar royalty and nobility converted to Judaism because the two major powers around them: Byzantium and the Caliphate, were Christian and Muslim respectively. politicaly, they needed a religious ideology that is more solid than paganism. to repeat what I said, the majority of the Khazars DID NOT convert to Judaism, many of them converted to Christianity and Islam. it was the aristocracy who converted to Judaism.
your connection to Jesus is completely unrelated, because Jesus is in no way part of Jewish theology.

Jesus was a Black Jew. :facepalm:

Biblical history relates that the descendants of Abraham, namely Jacob (Israel) and his twelve sons and their wives, 70 in all, migrated from Canaan to Egypt around the year 1827 B.C. During their sojourn in Egypt the Children of Israel multiplied from being a family of 70 souls to a nation of over 3 million people at the time of the Exodus which took place in 1612 B.C.

This astounding number of people in so short a time can only be adequately explained by intermarriage between the family of Jacob and the native Egyptian populace. It is an established fact that the ancient Egyptians were a black African people. Thus, even if the Hebrews were not black before they arrived in Egypt, which is unlikely given Abraham's background, they were definitely black by the time they left Egypt under Moses!

The Sparda · Jan 20, 2012

JacobEzra said:
Lol where is it common knowledge?

As to why people have such hard time accepting these "facts" are because for one they are not facts. And it could also be because instead of just converting, or simply enjoying a foreign culture, some try to hijack it as their own and then get mad at the Jews who don't agree. Especially the "Black Hebrew Israelites" here, who have been videotaped making fun of the Shoah, and going on about how hte White man is the devil and has stolen the black mans identity. Which is far from the truth.

Not to mention thous who accept such "facts" are still a very very small minority within the black community

I refer you to Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. The Lord, in both of these places speaks of a people that say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; but they are the Synagogue of Satan. Note that the Lord said also that he knows the work and the tribulations and poverty of the real Jews (but he said, "Thou art rich").

Reasoning tells us that no people, or person, can be rich and impoverished at the same time. But the riches of the people of God (blacks-the real Jew) are his promise to lift the curse off of them in the time appointed, and to restore them to their former estate. Plus no one can say that the people known and accepted as Jews are in poverty; consider this closely and reason with the Bible whether or not it makes sense.

Caladan · Jan 20, 2012

The Sparda said:
Jesus was a Black Jew.

No. he was not. :facepalm:

Biblical history relates that the descendants of Abraham, namely Jacob (Israel) and his twelve sons and their wives, 70 in all, migrated from Canaan to Egypt around the year 1827 B.C. During their sojourn in Egypt the Children of Israel multiplied from being a family of 70 souls to a nation of over 3 million people at the time of the Exodus which took place in 1612 B.C.

This astounding number of people in so short a time can only be adequately explained by intermarriage between the family of Jacob and the native Egyptian populace. It is an established fact that the ancient Egyptians were a black African people. Thus, even if the Hebrews were not black before they arrived in Egypt, which is unlikely given Abraham's background, they were definitely black by the time they left Egypt under Moses!

None of what you have said is etablished fact. I should know, I studied in an archaeological department, not even once did they teach us that the Egyptians were black or that the Israelites were black.
like I said you are not the first one to claim that the Jews were black, native American, Anglo-Saxon, Aryan, Palestinian. etc.
or that Jesus was of the above.

JacobEzra. · Jan 20, 2012

The Sparda said:
I refer you to Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. The Lord, in both of these places speaks of a people that say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; but they are the Synagogue of Satan. Note that the Lord said also that he knows the work and the tribulations and poverty of the real Jews (but he said, "Thou art rich").

No proof. Revelations isn't exactly legit in a discussion like this.

The Sparda said:
Reasoning tells us that no people, or person, can be rich and impoverished at the same time. But the riches of the people of God (blacks-the real Jew) are his promise to lift the curse off of them in the time appointed, and to restore them to their former estate.

So all blacks are poor?

The Sparda said:
Plus no one can say that the people known and accepted as Jews are in poverty; consider this closely and reason with the Bible whether or not it makes sense.

Yeah, because there is no poor Jew ever

YmirGF · Jan 20, 2012

The Sparda said:
It is quickly becoming common knowledge to people waking up that the Israelites were indeed a black people. It is also understood that many (if not most or all) blacks of slave descent are Israelites as well.

Why is it that in light of such information, people have such a hard time accepting these facts?

I keep forgetting that skin colour is important.

Caladan · Jan 20, 2012

YmirGF said:
I keep forgetting that skin colour is important.

At one time Jews were targeted for being Jews. today, some people want to target them for pretending to be Jews. in the future someone will target Jews for not being Jews.

The Sparda · Jan 20, 2012

Caladan said:
No. he was not.

None of what you have said is etablished fact. I should know, I studied in an archaeological department, not even once did they teach us that the Egyptians were black or that the Israelites were black.
like I said you are not the first one to claim that the Jews were black, native American, Anglo-Saxon, Aryan, Palestinian. etc.
or that Jesus was of the above.

Interesting. Count C. Volney spoke about the race of the Egyptians that produced the Pharaohs. He said: "The ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native born Africans."

The testimony of the ancients, the scriptures, & many Egyptologists, along with archaeology confirms that the Egyptians during ancient times were a "BLACK" PEOPLE.

Also Gerald Massey, English writer and author of the book, Egypt the Light of the World, wrote, "The dignity is so ancient that the insignia of the Pharaoh evidently belonged to the time when Egyptians wore nothing but the girdle of the Negro." (p 251)

JacobEzra. · Jan 20, 2012

Caladan said:
At one time Jews were targeted for being Jews. today, some people want to target them for pretending to be Jews. in the future someone will target Jews for not being Jews.

Sounds almost like history repeating itself.

Jews targeted for being Jews (Egypt)
target for not being Jews (Prophets getting mad at converting)

"pretending to be Jews" is a pretty new thing though.

The Sparda · Jan 20, 2012

Caladan said:
At one time Jews were targeted for being Jews. today, some people want to target them for pretending to be Jews. in the future someone will target Jews for not being Jews.

Actually, the Khazars are the real anti-Semites who have labeled themselves as Zionists and Jews to deceive the world in furthering their own plans for global & political conquest.

It appears that they learned all they could from he real Hebrews before usurping them, selling them into slavery (or killing them) and taking over in their place, using the corrupted form of Judaism to hide behind.

JacobEzra. · Jan 20, 2012

YmirGF said:
I keep forgetting that skin colour is important.

Well don't you know, the savior will only save you if you believe he was the right color!

JacobEzra. · Jan 20, 2012

The Sparda said:
Actually, the Khazars are the real “anti-Semites” who have labeled themselves as Zionists and “Jews” to deceive the world in furthering their own plans for global & political conquest.

It appears that they learned all they could from he real Hebrews before usurping them, selling them into slavery (or killing them) and taking over in their place, using the corrupted form of Judaism to hide behind.

You have nothing to back any of this up lol.

The Sparda · Jan 20, 2012

JacobEzra said:
Well don't you know, the savior will only save you if you believe he was the right color!

Now let us reason together. Understanding that Ethiopia comes from the Greek word Aithiop, which means "dark skin", let us look at the description of Jesus in Revelation 1:14. "His head and his hairs were whit like wool, as white as snow: and his eyes were as a flame of fire," (which only means they were red), "and his feet like fine brass, as if they were burned in a furnace." (Also see Rev. 1:18).

Any rational minded person would understand that Jesus was not two colors, having a white head and a black or burnt (Aithiop) body. Reasoning will also cause you to understand that his hair is white and wooly, and his body and skin is like the Ethiopians (Dark Skin). :shrug:

Caladan · Jan 20, 2012

The Sparda said:
Interesting. Count C. Volney spoke about the race of the Egyptians that produced the Pharaohs. He said: "The ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native born Africans."

The testimony of the ancients, the scriptures, & many Egyptologists, along with archaeology confirms that the Egyptians during ancient times were a "BLACK" PEOPLE.

Also Gerald Massey, English writer and author of the book, Egypt the Light of the World, wrote, "The dignity is so ancient that the insignia of the Pharaoh evidently belonged to the time when Egyptians wore nothing but the girdle of the Negro." (p 251)

You are going to need to provide much more than that in order to break scholarly consensus.
the Egyptians were at large of indigenous roots in the Nile area, with ethnic interaction and fusion with the Sahara, the Levant, the Near East, and the Nubian and east Africans in the southern part of Egypt.

Rakhel · Jan 20, 2012

The Black Hebrew Israelite are not Jews. They are Christians pretending to be Jews and should never be confused as being members of the Ethiopian Jews, or Beta Israelites, who are legitimate descendants of Dan

JacobEzra said:
Yeah, because there is no poor Jew ever

Money? What money? I owe the bank money. I wish it were the other way around.
But, hey I'm Jewish, I must be lying.

Caladan · Jan 20, 2012

The Sparda said:
Actually, the Khazars are the real anti-Semites who have labeled themselves as Zionists and Jews to deceive the world in furthering their own plans for global & political conquest.

It appears that they learned all they could from he real Hebrews before usurping them, selling them into slavery (or killing them) and taking over in their place, using the corrupted form of Judaism to hide behind.

You could come out with the real cazy stuff right from the beginning instead of trying to justify pseudohistorical nonsense.

angellous_evangellous · Jan 20, 2012

The Sparda said:
It is quickly becoming common knowledge to people waking up that the Israelites were indeed a black people. It is also understood that many (if not most or all) blacks of slave descent are Israelites as well.

Why is it that in light of such information, people have such a hard time accepting these facts?

Common knowledge to who? The 200,000 people who call themselves Black Hebrew Israelites?

Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit.

If we can call ancient Jews black, then you can call me Daddy.

The Sparda · Jan 20, 2012

Caladan said:
You are going to need to provide much more than that in order to break scholarly consensus.
the Egyptians were at large of indigenous roots in the Nile area, with ethnic interaction and fusion with the Sahara, the Levant, the Near East, and the Nubian and east Africans in the southern part of Egypt.

Egyptologist Cheikh Anta Diop invented a method for determining the level of melanin in the skin of human beings. When conducted on Egyptian mummies in the Museum of Man in Paris, this test indicated these remains were of Black people.

Also, the Bible states: "[t]he sons of Ham [were] Cush and Mizraim [i.e. Egypt], and Phut, and Canaan. And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah and Sabtechah."

According to Biblical tradition, Ham, of course, was the father of the Black race. "Generally speaking all Semitic tradition (Jewish and Arab) class ancient Egypt with the countries of the Black."

Rakhel · Jan 20, 2012

Who's Biblical tradition says Ham was the father of the Black race?
Certainly not mine.

The Sparda · Jan 20, 2012

Rakhel said:
Who's Biblical tradition says Ham was the father of the Black race?
Certainly not mine.

The explanation that black Africans, as the "sons of Ham", were cursed, possibly "blackened" by their sins, was advanced only sporadically during the middle ages, but became increasingly common during the slave trade of the 18th and 19th centuries.

The Bible refers to Egypt as Ham.

Psalms 105:23 Then Israel entered Egypt; Jacob lived as an alien in the land of Ham.

Psalm 78:51 He struck down all the firstborn of Egypt, the firstfruits of manhood in the tents of Ham. (NIV)

JacobEzra. · Jan 20, 2012

The Sparda said:
Now let us reason together. Understanding that Ethiopia comes from the Greek word Aithiop, which means "dark skin", let us look at the description of Jesus in Revelation 1:14. "His head and his hairs were whit like wool, as white as snow: and his eyes were as a flame of fire," (which only means they were red), "and his feet like fine brass, as if they were burned in a furnace." (Also see Rev. 1:18).

Any rational minded person would understand that Jesus was not two colors, having a white head and a black or burnt (Aithiop) body. Reasoning will also cause you to understand that his hair is white and wooly, and his body and skin is like the Ethiopians (Dark Skin).

lol whats that got to do with my sarcastic quote?
:thud:

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