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Males have one less rib than females, scientific clues of creation

God is love

Active Member
People might think that a myth was established to explain this anomaly, Oddity.
Perhapps it is a sign of a divine creator.

The theory of the "Big Bang" creates it's own question. What created the Big Bang?
I heard "heavy particles comming together"
Perhapps but these particles would have to already exist before they became matter.

To be particules of any sort, they would have to be, at least, refined matter.
Then matter of some sort already existed instead of nothing. How can anything develope from nothing. Nothing comes from nothing.

There has to be a cause and effect relationship.

People might say, "How could God exist before He created?"
If there was refined matter already existing, He could organize the particles and combine them such that they made substances such as water, soils, birds, fish, mammals, man and woman.

Some would say, "How did God create himself, a body for himself?" or another question might be "How did He create a body for Adam before His own?"
He probably created a body for Himself before He created a body for Adam.

Next question "How could He create a body without a body?"
That sounds a bit like the Big Bang theory in a way, heavy particles comming together automatically. In other words particles moving themselves, bringing themseves together in such a way that they produce {create} something.

Perhapps a supreme being was capable of doing this, bringing particles of refined matter together to make a body and other bodies, to create a world on which to place these bodies, designing them with the ability to create others, programming them to physically develope into adults and programming them with instincts such as the maternal instinct to care for the young that are developing, the instinct of self preservation {survival mode} etc.

Perhapps God was amongst refined matter and developed intelligence to create with refined matter.

Some people who believe in evolution believe it it possible that man evolved from a fish or lesser organisms.

If it is possible for man to evolve from a fish, it seems it would be possinle for intelligence to develope from spirit matter and develope Supreme intelligence.

I read that the 'materialist" or "mechanist" view is that all life and spirit are made of nothing but matter and that their existence is dependent upon inanimate matter.
I believe it is made of more than physical matter and that creates intelligence.

If life could be made from nonlife then the term nonlife would be an inaccurate term.


Humans have created with materials on earth and created their own materieals, plastic for example. They have designed the microchip that's programmed to receive and process information. Humans have made things with moveable parts that work in combination or independent of eachother. They have made complex things and now cloning, making bodies and altering D.N.A. to make their own design of living creations.

Humans are doing now what a Supreme Being may have already done.
It isn't impossible to imagine or believe A Supreme Being would have had the same capability of organizing matter and creating with it usefull things and animals and human beings.

Humans have developed wisdom through the centuries as a Supreme Being has done through thousands maybe millions of years or light years.

When I think of the big bang theory, I wonder how anything that explodes reconstructs itself or creates order in disorder. For example, if any building exploded as a result of a terrorist attack such as a library, how could the pieces flying up in the air come together organized as they were with the books on the shelves in their proper sections in alphabetical order?

Scientists such as Einstein and others agree with Creationists that the universe had a definite beginning.

The question is what or who was the prime mover?

Perhapps the Supreme Being made the big bang.

Why does a theory have to be either Creation or Big Bang? Why do we have to believe either one or the other instead of combining the two with the thought that a Supreme Being caused the Big Bang?

In the movie "Inherit the Wind" which was about evolution verses creation being taught in school. The theory was posed that maybe God created man through an evolutionary process. I am not saying that I agree with this but at least God wasn't removed from the equation.

New Testement 2 peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." It is possible that more time was involved in the creation than 7 days. It is possible that it was 7 thousand years.
 

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Well, I'm not sure about all of that, but I AM sure that males do NOT have one less rib than females. Males and Females have the same number of ribs. Sorry.
 

Zephyr

Moved on
Ceridwen018 said:
Well, I'm not sure about all of that, but I AM sure that males do NOT have one less rib than females. Males and Females have the same number of ribs. Sorry.
Not if I have anything to say about it. *Munch* *Munch*
 

Ardent Listener

Active Member
Ceridwen018 said:
Well, I'm not sure about all of that, but I AM sure that males do NOT have one less rib than females. Males and Females have the same number of ribs. Sorry.
Right, or else I have been teaching anatomy incorrectly for the past 8 years.:areyoucra
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Even if that was true- how is that proof of Creationism and not proof that skeletons are visable? :rolleyes:
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Now that I've actually read that tripe.

If it is possible for man to evolve from a fish, it seems it would be possinle for intelligence to develope from spirit matter and develope Supreme intelligence.
We have proof of fish. Seems more possible for that to have happened than something that isn't even proven to have existed.

That's just me, though.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
God is love said:
People might think that a myth was established to explain this anomaly, ...
Or an anomaly fabricated to rationalize a myth. Would it be to much to ask you to read before you rant?
 

Fatmop

Active Member
It makes me cry just to look at it, but here goes:
Anatomy of man is quite a topic in the amount of ones ribs...I think Adam was the only one missing the rib used for Eve.
Look up 'ad hoc justification.'

As for the rest of all that when I was in high school and first heard about evolution I laughed at it because it makes little sense to me. Why if we evolved are we the only beings to speak and have the ability to plot and plan in the way we do as the top beings on the planet?
"Top" beings? Define 'top' for me, please.
I think evolution far better explains the existence of male nipples than any thestic explanation.
Simply because we are the only animals ever to have developed patterned speech does not mean we're the only ones who communicate.
It does not logically follow from your argument that a God is necessary; evolution has quite a fine time explaining our own species and its various fruits and foibles. I could venture a guess that we are the only species on the planet to 'talk' because we are the only ones who ever gained a rapid series of mutations allowing us to grow large, complex brains. These mutations led to innovative ways of doing things, like throwing sticks/rocks at animals instead of trying to bite them. It probably also led to certain pre-hominids developing patterned 'speech.' Those who could communicate with each other effectively ended up with major advantages over their competitors in their environments. Enough said?

No animal that builds ever extends it's abilities beyond what it has need for...but we do. We are above all animals for only one reason...we didn't evolve from monkeys or any such hype as that.
How would you define 'need?' I think evolutionary explanations explain archaeological findings just fine. Man learns that if he sits under a tree, the rain doesn't get to him as much --> Man learns that by holding a piece of wood over his head he achieves the same effect --> Man learns that he can prop up this wood with sticks --> Man creates huts --> Societies gather --> As societies grow more complex, meeting places are needed, markets are built, religions form. All archaeology has a purpose, even if it's only an aesthetic one.

Also, your last sentence there is illogical. We didn't evolve -> Therefore we are "on top." Other premises are required.

I truely believe we were made by the hand of God and did not come about from dividing cells from one or another sort of animal.
Then you didn't pay enough attention in biology class. You came from dividing cells; they were your mother's and father's. Your mother and father also came from dividing cells. This continues for quite a number of generations, mind you..

Created in the image of God doesn't mean God has a body as we do. God is in my opinion huge in Spirit to a point of non-understanding on our parts. I feel God could take the shape of any form He'd chose if He chose to do so...but He doesn't waste His time playing foolish games in that manner.
I agree. The one true form of God is that which I just ate yesterday: Spaghetti. www.venganza.org

When it says man was created in God's image it doesn't mean we contorted through the yearws to stick with this certian look we are as we have been from the beginning of time of man. I have a strong feeling that time is the confuser in the whole story...perhaps the time element we know of today was not the real time of the days of creation
Then why on Earth would it say "Day" in the Bible? "Well, they said Day, but for God a day is a thousand years!" Then why doesn't it say that in the Bible? Any ideas?

if dinosaurs did walk the earth in the days of Adam and Eve they knew their place and man was not their primary meat since there was an abundant of meat there for their use for those few that were meat eaters.
Actually, this is constructed almost perfectly logically. The only problem is, the premise is demonstrably false.

Our earth became from no form and was molded by the breath and spiritual hand of God. It may not have had the same retation tehn or even the same axis...during the earthquakes of biblical times the earth's plates were on the move perhaps differently than they are now
No, I'd say plates haven't really accelerated in only such a short time span as 2,000 years. Give 'em 2 million, and maybe you're on to something.

scientists can determine much but it's all such as my thoughts not in the factual sense but in theory
Ah, yes. Not fact, just theory. And if it's only a theory, then its truthfulness is just up in the air! Well, watch out Newton! The theory of gravity is coming under attack!!

a big bang...perhaps when God slapped it all together there was some rumble and bangs but one thing certian in my mind is that we are all of purpose
At this point I don't know whether to chuckle to myself or weep profusely. You understand nothing about physics. Don't even pretend to be able to interpret the Big Bang as evidence of God.. not until you actually know something about it.

each and every one of us have a role to be played out through it all and much of it comes down to faith in what we believe...we can believe the sky is blue but who told us what the color really was or did we grow up learning this is the color blue...perhaps it's actually not a color at all but a few compounds we reccognize to be blue.
I don't see how this is anywhere close to how the thread began. This is completely inane rambling. So, you want to talk solipsism? How do we know the sky is blue? How do we know the sky exists at all? How do we know that your cherished Bible even exists? Prove to me - prove it - that Jesus is not the son of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and then I'll acknowledge this last part of your post as having any more relevance to this thread than if I stood with my eyes shut and repeatedly banged my head against the keyboard.
 

MdmSzdWhtGuy

Well-Known Member
jeez oh man. I have posted actual x-ray's on this website before. men and women have same number of ribs, just like they have same number of toes. If Dale Gribble were saying this nonsense to Hank Hill, Hank would reply "Dale, you gibblet-head". I think Hank may be on to something.

And once again, The Flying Spaghetti Monster answers all these questions much more efficiently and with a great deal more fun than does the Bible. Plus, when you die, you don't go to hell, you go to a big marinara pot, where you will baste with the non-beleivers, bwa ha ha ha ha.

B.
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
MdmSzdWhtGuy said:
jeez oh man. I have posted actual x-ray's on this website before. men and women have same number of ribs, just like they have same number of toes. If Dale Gribble were saying this nonsense to Hank Hill, Hank would reply "Dale, you gibblet-head". I think Hank may be on to something.

And once again, The Flying Spaghetti Monster answers all these questions much more efficiently and with a great deal more fun than does the Bible. Plus, when you die, you don't go to hell, you go to a big marinara pot, where you will baste with the non-beleivers, bwa ha ha ha ha.

B.
But you could be wrong. Adam may have suffered:
Bifid rib, bifurcated rib

A bifid rib or bifurcated rib is a congenital abnormality occurring in about 1% of the population. The sternal end of the rib is cleaved into two parts which are usually unilateral. Effects of this neuroskeletal anomaly can include respiratory difficulties, neurological difficulties, limitations, limited energies from the stress of needing to compensate for the neurophysiological difficulties.

God cured him by removing "spare" rib to be made into Eve.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
To answer the original question, er, we ALL have the same amount of ribs, both male and female. If one believes the Bible, that God made Adam from the dust of the earth, and Eve from Adam's rib, then Adam is the only man to have one less rib, him and Marilyn Manson, and I dont even wanna go there, lol. And in Genesis, it makes it very clear that he is talking about a 24 hour day, check it out:

Genesis !:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first DAY.

Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven, And the evening and the morning were the SECOND DAY.

Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the THIRD DAY.

Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the FOURTH DAY.

Ok, get the point? He set up a literal 24 hour period, then made it clear that he did these things each actual literal 24 hour day. He coulda done it in a split second, as he is omnicient, but later on it says he did it as a pattern for us, for a week, that we may rest on saturday, etc. We still rest on saturday after a mon-fri work week, but we worship on Sunday, the first day of the week, as that is the day Jesus rose from the grave, ushering in the new age of grace, or the church age. (and yes some of us work odd hours, point is to rest and meditate a bit)

From a biblical point of view, in Romans, it says by one man, Adam sin entered the world and thereby, death. In Genesis, 1:31, it says God saw all he made and it was VERY GOOD. There was no sin yet, and therefore no death, it says the animals ate the fruit of the trees and every green herb, (1:19-30). Once sin entered the world, death entered, the creation fell, changed, animals changed, everything changed, and now we are in this messed up world. Good news, is that even though by one man sin entered into the world, by one man, Jesus, sin was paid for and eternal life offered as a totally free gift. Now that is an awesome God right there, who loves us in spite of our sinfulness. So, one must believe the creation story, or believe none of the Bible all together.

As far as God evolving into what he now is, the Bible says his goings forth are from everlasting to everlasting. He has always existed, he is outside of time, as he created time when he set the world to spinning and created light, creating the first days, (hours, minutes, seconds...). The universe had an origin, on that first day, (the sun moon and stars being formed on the fourth day, the light he made the first day was not the sun) God did not have an origin, no where in the Bible does it say he nor Jesus did. (and I dont mean Jesus' earthly, human existence). It says they are from everlasting, the beginning and the end, the first and the last, the aflpha and omega, amen. If something has an origin, it must have a designer or creator, we were made in time, therefore we have an origin, God is outside of time, has always existed, therefore needs, nor has an origin, nor a creator, He is the Creator, the Almighty, Holy, Father in Heaven.
 

Fatmop

Active Member
He coulda done it in a split second, as he is omnicient,
The word you're looking for is 'omnipotent.'

it says he did it as a pattern for us, for a week, that we may rest on saturday, etc.
I would think an omnipotent God could just as easily create the Earth instantaneously, then just tell us we had to rest on a certain day.

Now that is an awesome God right there, who loves us in spite of our sinfulness.
Define 'awesome.' I think an awesome god would have a stripper factory and beer volcano all prepared for us when we die and go to heaven.

As far as God evolving into what he now is,
Does this belong in this thread? Did anyone bring up God 'evolving?' This seems like unwarranted proselytizing.
 
:149: God is love, your makeing this to complicated for yourself god is the union of oppitsites to create matter in the profane world we exsist.As a representive of his divine will.
 
:tsk: None of you seem to understand that science and religion goes together,such as the left and right hempheres of the brian what we need to do is learn to intergrate the two together into a whole only then will we begin to approach the face of the holie of holies.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
My last dog Coco had an extra vertebra and a pair of extra ribs.
Now since he was male, does that mean *****es must have one less vertebra and two less ribs.

Rubbish thinking is just that rubbish.

Terry___________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Moses the God Archetype* said:
None of you seem to understand that science and religion goes together,such as the left and right hempheres of the brian what we need to do is learn to intergrate the two together into a whole only then will we begin to approach the face of the holie of holies.
On a somewhat different subject, would you agree that the Christmas season is often cursed by a proliferation of fruitcakes?
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
My last dog Coco had an extra vertebra and a pair of extra ribs.
Now since he was male, does that mean *****es must have one less vertebra and two less ribs.

Rubbish thinking is just that rubbish.

Terry___________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.
If Coca was created by God, the first male dog, then it can be true.:D :jiggy: :bounce
 

tonyoliver

New Member
Einstein did NOT believe in a moment of creationism. He always said he didn't know. He did maintain that it was troubling that some equations did point to a singularity, which is different. He also always held that he always thought the universe was eternal.
 
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