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Different Kind of Death

sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Hebrews 9:27 says, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die....." yet some Biblical characters died twice. Lazurus is an example. Is this a contridiction or is there more than one kind of death? Does the death referred to in Hebrews mean death unto judgement?
 
michel

michel

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sandy whitelinger said:
Hebrews 9:27 says, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die....." yet some Biblical characters died twice. Lazurus is an example. Is this a contridiction or is there more than one kind of death? Does the death referred to in Hebrews mean death unto judgement?
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The defender's notes don't help;
Enoch and Elijah seem to have been exceptions to this principle (Genesis 5:24; 2 Kings 2:11), but they will probably return to the earth in the last days and then die (see notes on Revelation 11:3-12). There will be one great exception, the saints living on earth when Christ returns (1 Corinthians 15:51-53), but all (even those who will be living at that time) must prepare for death, for no one can be sure he will not die before Christ comes.​
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This site interprets this as the moral issues of various ways of dying.​
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
michel said:
Enoch and Elijah seem to have been exceptions to this principle
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I don't think those examples apply here. Enoch and Elijah received glorified bodies (at least Elijah did as evidenced at the Mount of Transfiguration) which means that their old bodies saw their demise. My question is whether or not there are different meanings of the term while here on earth as evidenced by the resurrection of numerous people in Scripture who later passed on again.
 
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almifkhar

Active Member
i am simply going to give a idea here. is it possible that what this refers to is death of say the old spiritual ways and then a rebirth to the new spiritual ways on to the final death of the person itself?
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
almifkhar said:
i am simply going to give a idea here. is it possible that what this refers to is death of say the old spiritual ways and then a rebirth to the new spiritual ways on to the final death of the person itself?
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That's sort of vague. the passage from Hebrews refers to passing on unto judgement. Everyone will be judged. those without Christ unto eternal condemnation and those with Christ to eternal life (John 3:17). I'm thinking that what happened to Lazarus and others who were resurrected was separate from passing to judgement.
 
Halcyon

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
Surely death is dying and then not coming back, Lazurus came back so he wasn't dead. When he dies and rotted never to return, then he was dead.

People die for half an hour all the time, our technology then brings them back. I think it refers to people only living in one body on earth, i.e they aren't reincarnated.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Halcyon said:
Surely death is dying and then not coming back, Lazurus came back so he wasn't dead. When he dies and rotted never to return, then he was dead.

People die for half an hour all the time, our technology then brings them back. I think it refers to people only living in one body on earth, i.e they aren't reincarnated.
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Jesus said that Lazurus was dead. John 11:17 "Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead." KJV

He'd been in the grave for 4 days and stinketh according to Martha. John11:39 "Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days." KJV
 
Halcyon

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
sandy whitelinger said:
Jesus said that Lazurus was dead. John 11:17 "Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead." KJV

He'd been in the grave for 4 days and stinketh according to Martha. John11:39 "Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days." KJV
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Yeah, but his body still existed and was restored. He didn't live again in a new body as someone else. But this is just my thoughts.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Halcyon said:
Yeah, but his body still existed and was restored. He didn't live again in a new body as someone else. But this is just my thoughts.
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this is what leads me to believe that the term death, Biblically speaking refers to at least two kinds of death. One is the cessation of life the other is the the cessation of life that brings one to the judgement seat. Another is what is referred to Scripturally as the second death in the Lake of Fire. This death leads me to wonder if it is a continual punishment or the final cessation of the poor losers life.
 
Halcyon

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
sandy whitelinger said:
this is what leads me to believe that the term death, Biblically speaking refers to at least two kinds of death. One is the cessation of life the other is the the cessation of life that brings one to the judgement seat. Another is what is referred to Scripturally as the second death in the Lake of Fire. This death leads me to wonder if it is a continual punishment or the final cessation of the poor losers life.
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Well, since you're still alive in the afterlife (hence the name) then i guess the death in the lake of fire would be the final obliteration of the soul.
 
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