Original sin

Sheila · Jan 7, 2012

There are a lot of people who don't know what original sin is or what the root of sin is. Original sin (very first sin) of mankind was disobedience to God. He said don't eat the fruit and they did (Eve and Adam). Eating the fruit gave them self-awareness (root of sin) (Genesis 3:11), which in turn caused self-absorption to the point that, in some cases, the creation has become idolaters of self and become more important than the creator.
Jesus said if thy eye offends thee, pluck it out. Eye being lusts of the eye, which in turn is me, me, me--which is "I".
Y'shua Bless You

waitasec · Jan 7, 2012

and what makes you think your interpretation of original sin is right?

wait don't tell me; a strong conviction...
as if those who believe differently than you have a lesser sense of their conviction?

welcome to the forum

Sheila · Jan 7, 2012

What would original sin be except disobedience--this WAS the first sin of mankind that is written in the Bible. Do you think you have any other? I see it to be not only the first sin but as being the very last sin that will ever be committed against God.

waitasec · Jan 7, 2012

Sheila said:
What would original sin be except disobedience--this WAS the first sin of mankind that is written in the Bible.

no it wasn't "sin" was not mentioned...

Do you think you have any other?

you mean to say people say there are more than one type of sin?

I see it to be not only the first sin but as being the very last sin that will ever be committed against God.

what do you mean?

Sheila · Jan 7, 2012

There is ONLY ONE sin of mankind. The sin of disobedience to the will of God. ALL sin falls under this category. This is why all sin is the same in the eyes of God---Disobedience. And it definitely is a sin.
Y'shua Bless You

Wannabe Yogi · Jan 7, 2012

Sheila said:
There are a lot of people who don't know what original sin is or what the root of sin is. Original sin (very first sin) of mankind was disobedience to God. He said don't eat the fruit and they did (Eve and Adam). Eating the fruit gave them self-awareness (root of sin) (Genesis 3:11), which in turn caused self-absorption to the point that, in some cases, the creation has become idolaters of self and become more important than the creator.
Jesus said if thy eye offends thee, pluck it out. Eye being lusts of the eye, which in turn is me, me, me--which is "I".
Y'shua Bless You

So do you believe that Humans are born in to sin or born with a tendency to sin. There is a huge difference between these two concepts. Both are seen as Original sin but the meanings have very different out comes.

waitasec · Jan 7, 2012

Sheila said:
There is ONLY ONE sin of mankind. The sin of disobedience to the will of God.

then explain this,
if a & e didn't know the difference between good and evil how were they to know disobedience was wrong?

jarofthoughts · Jan 7, 2012

Sheila said:
There are a lot of people who don't know what original sin is or what the root of sin is. Original sin (very first sin) of mankind was disobedience to God. He said don't eat the fruit and they did (Eve and Adam). Eating the fruit gave them self-awareness (root of sin) (Genesis 3:11), which in turn caused self-absorption to the point that, in some cases, the creation has become idolaters of self and become more important than the creator.
Jesus said if thy eye offends thee, pluck it out. Eye being lusts of the eye, which in turn is me, me, me--which is "I".
Y'shua Bless You

But since we know for a fact that the Biblical Adam and Eve never existed, where does that leave us?

horizon_mj1 · Jan 7, 2012

If you add in the Lost Books of Eden (left out of the King James Version of the Bible purposely) you get a better understanding. Most Religious texts are not based in Fact, but IMO most use the combination of Aesop writing with historical events.

lunamoth · Jan 7, 2012

Sheila said:
There are a lot of people who don't know what original sin is or what the root of sin is. Original sin (very first sin) of mankind was disobedience to God. He said don't eat the fruit and they did (Eve and Adam). Eating the fruit gave them self-awareness (root of sin) (Genesis 3:11), which in turn caused self-absorption to the point that, in some cases, the creation has become idolaters of self and become more important than the creator.
Jesus said if thy eye offends thee, pluck it out. Eye being lusts of the eye, which in turn is me, me, me--which is "I".
Y'shua Bless You

I see your point, but I think alienation is a better word than disobedience. All sin refers to separation from God, which is why only God can forgive sin (which, He has!).

Sheila · Jan 7, 2012

waitasec said:
then explain this,
if a & e didn't know the difference between good and evil how were they to know disobedience was wrong?

They knew their creator told them to obey him and to not do this thing. They didn't know the difference between good and evil. They just knew good, they knew that it was a good thing to do as God said--because He told them so--they being much less intelligent than the one who made them. They decided to believe that another knew more than God. HUGE sin. God created all beings.

Sheila · Jan 7, 2012

Wannabe Yogi said:
So do you believe that Humans are born in to sin or born with a tendency to sin. There is a huge difference between these two concepts. Both are seen as Original sin but the meanings have very different out comes.

We are born into sin with the ability to chose. We are sinless until we lose innocence and become self-aware (root of sin)--starts the me, me, me, cycle--leads to lust, greed, envy, etc.

Me Myself · Jan 7, 2012

Sheila said:
They knew their creator told them to obey him and to not do this thing. They didn't know the difference between good and evil. They just knew good, they knew that it was a good thing to do as God said--because He told them so--they being much less intelligent than the one who made them. They decided to believe that another knew more than God. HUGE sin. God created all beings.

They didn´t know disobeying God was wrong. they didn´t know obeying someone instead of Him was wrong. They were made with this ignorance by God.

They didn´t know it was "good" according to this myth, because they just knew "Good" AFTER eating the fruit.

waitasec · Jan 7, 2012

Sheila said:
They knew their creator told them to obey him and to not do this thing.

think this through...
to understand "no" means to understand there is a boundary...
the boundary between good and evil were not set as they had not partaken of the fruit

They didn't know the difference between good and evil.

They just knew good

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how does one know they only know good when they don't understand evil?

9Westy9 · Jan 7, 2012

Sheila said:
There is ONLY ONE sin of mankind. The sin of disobedience to the will of God. ALL sin falls under this category. This is why all sin is the same in the eyes of God---Disobedience. And it definitely is a sin.
Y'shua Bless You

I prefer thinking rather than obedience to a god. Obedience to a god restricts the will and results in thinking becoming meaningless.

Tathagata · Jan 8, 2012

Original sin is one of the fundamentally, and blatant flaws of Christian philosophy. The idea that the descendents of one man should be born guilty with original sin because of the first sin done by their ancestor. There's no legit reason why anyone should be considered a born sinner, especially not because of Adam. You can be a born sinner if you've yet to commit a sin. Last I checked, being born's not a sin.

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waitasec · Jan 9, 2012

Sheila said:
We are born into sin with the ability to chose. We are sinless until we lose innocence and become self-aware (root of sin)--starts the me, me, me, cycle--leads to lust, greed, envy, etc.

so sinning is being aware of our actions?

waitasec · Jan 9, 2012

Sheila said:
They knew their creator told them to obey him and to not do this thing.

you still didn't answer the question...
how can they know disobedience was wrong?
even if the tree of knowledge of good and evil was to enlighten them of evil they still didn't know disobedience was wrong, they were ignorant of it.

They didn't know the difference between good and evil. They just knew good,

again, how can one know they only know good without knowing evil?

or are you saying the tree of knowledge of good and evil was really the tree of knowledge of evil...can you support this?

Kilgore Trout · Jan 9, 2012

waitasec said:
again, how can one know they only know good without knowing evil?

Easily. If your whole story relies on this fundamental logical error, then simply pretend like it makes sense.

Presto!

Nakosis · Jan 9, 2012

Sheila said:
There is ONLY ONE sin of mankind. The sin of disobedience to the will of God. ALL sin falls under this category. This is why all sin is the same in the eyes of God---Disobedience. And it definitely is a sin.
Y'shua Bless You

That's the OT definition of sin. The concept of sin created by the Judeans.

The Greek concept of sin is missing the mark. Really just ignorance of the truth. Adam and Eve knew what was true. The Serpent poisoned them so they no longer knew and doubted the truth. Man is born ignorant of the truth.

Man would not be free to choose if he knew the truth. You can choose to believe a lie because of your ignorance.

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