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a question avoided to explain by Jews and Christains

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
There is a question of timing also. Mat 21:40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
The lord of the vineyard is Jesus but is His return when He is resurrected or in the end time when Jesus returns to destroy the enemies of Israel and set up His kingdom on earth. It appears to me to be the latter because Jesus does not appear to be interested in nation building at present.
I guess it's very wrong meaning .
God in this verses surely warning the jews that they will be denied (in future) by choocing other nation (not the jews) as usual .
Jesus (pbuh) was Jewish was last messanger of God to the Jews , These verses are confirmed that God will choose another Nation (foolish nation ) to provoque the Jews
, and give his message to other Nation which care about it .(and don't modifie or edited it ) .
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
I guess it's very wrong meaning .
God in this verses surely warning the jews that they will be denied (in future) by choocing other nation (not the jews) as usual .
Jesus (pbuh) was Jewish was last messanger of God to the Jews , These verses are confirmed that God will choose another Nation (foolish nation ) to provoque the Jews
, and give his message to other Nation which care about it .(and don't modifie or edited it ) .
Well, your mind is made up, and despite the fact that Jews and Christians study this text more then you, you still have guts to just dismiss it and say "your wrong"..... So what's the point of the thread?
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Well, your mind is made up, and despite the fact that Jews and Christians study this text more then you, you still have guts to just dismiss it and say "your wrong"..... So what's the point of the thread?

I told you , God frankly menance the jews by they provoke them by other nation (foolish nation ) that foolish nation defenitly is the Arabs .
this my point .
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
I told you , God frankly menance the jews by they provoke them by other nation (foolish nation ) that foolish nation defenitly is the Arabs .
this my point .
So the thread tittle and op was misleading considering it makes it seem like your asking for honest discussion. Just another trap:rolleyes:
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Apparently no Jew or Christian does, and you know that. If the verse means what you think, then you must not follow it since you purposely aim to provoke Jews and Christians.
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it's evidencely provoke the jews , the question by whom ?
the answser is by another nation
what is the characteristic of this other nation " 1-PROVOKE and jealousy , 2-foolish and Not people , 3-bringing forth the fruits ok ?

1-we ask a question is the jews provoke , by the christains ?
maybe , but honesly what we see that the christianity is under the judiasim law .for my opinion the christianity is belong
judiasm than it's distinc the in for one reason because the Old Testament . and because the jews had more info about the Old Testament .

2- is the christians were foolish nation ? no because roman and grec were not fool , we can"t consider the roman foolish nation , or considerate "not people " ? in the opposite the roman and grec had a
bright history .
accuatly the jews were under their authority . the jews in that time are foolish than romans and grec.

3-
bringing forth the fruits ,maybe muslims maybe christians
in this case to know whom "bringing forth the fruits " let's count the religous people in these two nations , i am sure will be found the muslims more and more than the christains .





by the way i found another verse had the same meaning

Romans 10:19
Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says, "I will make you envious by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding."





 
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bigbadgirl

Active Member
The war between the jews and the muslims seems to ignore all other religions. Have fun. Beat yourself to death. All the others will still be here.
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
Did it really take 7 pages to figure that out? :facepalm:
and of course the REF experience wouldn't be complete without the one guy who goes and acts high and mighty, with his one-line stabs

But I guess so when the poster hasn't posted until the 7th page. I forgot I shouldn't post my take on the thread if its the 7 page. What bad manners. I'm sorry your highness. :rolleyes:
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
The war between the jews and the muslims seems to ignore all other religions. Have fun. Beat yourself to death. All the others will still be here.

What war? There's no war. And in this case, the op seems to have a problem with Jews and Christians.
 

bigbadgirl

Active Member
If there is no war between any religious organizations, then peace among religions should be the goal sought after by all religions. Why is it not?
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
So the thread tittle and op was misleading considering it makes it seem like your asking for honest discussion. Just another trap:rolleyes:

Actually, he didn't try too hard to hide his intentions in the OP. It was pretty clear from the start that he was rubbing it in the Jews' faces that God had allegedly chosen the Arab nation over them through the work of Mohammed
 
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-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
edited :
it's evidencely provoke the jews , the question by whom ?
the answser is by another nation
what is the characteristic of this other nation " 1-PROVOKE and jealousy , 2-foolish and Not people , 3-bringing forth the fruits ok ?

1-we ask a question is the jews provoke , by the christains ?
maybe , but honesly what we see that the christianity is under the judiasim law .for my opinion the christianity is belong judiasm than it's distinc the in for one reason because the Old Testament . and because the jews had more info about the Old Testament .

2- is the christians were foolish nation ? no because roman and grec were not fool , we can"t consider the roman foolish nation , or considerate "not people " ? in the opposite the roman and grec had a bright history .
accuatly the jews were under their authority . the jews in that time are foolish than romans and grec.

3- bringing forth the fruits ,maybe muslims maybe christians
in this case to know whom "bringing forth the fruits " let's count the religous people in these two nations , i am sure will be found the muslims more and more than the christains .





by the way i found another verse had the same meaning

Romans 10:19
Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says, "I will make you envious by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding."

According to God, any nation that worships idols would qualify as a "foolish nation", regardless of their technological prowess. He isn't nearly as impressed with "culture" and "technology" as he is obedience and godly wisdom. There's also a difference between intelligence and wisdom. So yes, and the idolotrous Greeks and Romans were most definately foolish in God's eyes. And what's a Muslim quoting Paul as authoritative for? Not that I disagree with it as a worshipper of Jesus,I just thought you guys considered him a heretic.
 
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Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
According to God, any nation that worships idols would qualify as a "foolish nation", regardless of their technological prowess. He isn't nearly as impressed with "culture" and "technology" as he is obedience and godly wisdom. There's also a difference between intelligence and wisdom. So yes, and the idolotrous Greeks and Romans were most definately foolish in God's eyes. And what's a Muslim quoting Paul as authoritative for? Not that I disagree with it as a worshipper of Jesus,I just thought you guys considered him a heretic.
ah , accautly the arabs too in that era (time ) were worshipers to Idols .
the grec and romans were develpement nation , the word "Not nation" could not mention to grec in that time .
even if we compare between the jews and grec in that time we found the history of the grec is heroic and great , and it's effects (buildings) are the evidence.


that' mean it's the verses of the bible absolutly talking about arabs pre-islam !!!!!

Arabia Before Islam: Religion Of The Pre-Islamic Arabs
 

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
ah , accautly the arabs too in that era (time ) were worshipers to Idols .
the grec and romans were develpement nation , the word "Not nation" could not mention to grec in that time .
even if we compare between the jews and grec in that time we found the history of the grec is heroic and great , and it's effects (buildings) are the evidence.


that' mean it's the verses of the bible absolutly talking about arabs pre-islam !!!!!

Arabia Before Islam: Religion Of The Pre-Islamic Arabs

It's good you realize that because it's not refering to the Greeks or Romans. In fact, it's not refering to ANY ethnic group or civilization. The Bible often speaks of two distinct groups, Jews and everyone else (Gentiles). Gentiles were composed of every race and civilzation under the sun, with the exception of Jews. Christians believe God counts everyone that believes Jesus is Lord as a new nation, the "brotherhood of believers".

Luke 3:8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Jesus is saying in Luke that being a member of Israel is not about being biologically related to Abraham.

Romans 11:11-12
11Again I ask: Did they (Israel) stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!

Since you quote Paul as an authoritative source, so will I. Paul explains outright that God stopped pursuing Jews to some degree and focused his efforts on Gentiles of which you are a member, assuming you are an Arab. Why? Becuase he wants them to grow jealous of the nation that God has made from members of every race under the sun. All in the hopes that they'll eventually turn back to him by trusting his son Jesus. At least that's the Christian answer to your question
 
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