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Prophesy is usually best understood in hindsight. After it has come to pass we look at scripture and suddenly see it's fulfillment.
It is more difficult to see or understand future events. For example in Isaiah's day people would have been confounded wondering what Isaiah 60.8 and Isaiah 5.26-30 were about.
Isaiah 60:8 ""Who are these that fly as a cloud and as the doves to their windows?"
This sounds like Isaiah was describing the modern way of travelling, the airplane.
There would have been nothing like it in his day so the best way that he could described it would be to describe how it looks, like a bird.
In Isaiah 5.26-29 "And He will lift up an ensign to the nations from far and will hiss unto them from the end of the earth and behold they shall come with speed swiftly.
None shall be weary or stumble among them, none shall slumber or nor sleep, neither shall the girdle of their loins be loosed nor the latchet of their shoes be broken.
Whose arrows are sharp and all their bows bent. Their horses hoofs shall be counted like flint and their WHEELS LIKE A WHIRLWIND."
This sounds like trains or cars.
The prophesy of Isaiah and other prophets can be confusing even in our day, what is being said and when it is to be fulfilled. Perhapps that is why there is a difference of opinion as to it's proper interpretation.
Prophesies are blended together and sometimes out of chronological order. That makes it more difficult to determine when it will happen.
If signs are difficult to understand, discern, they would be difficult to recognize when they are occuring. That is why they are usually recognized in hindsight.
I think it is better to look at all the scriptures pertaining to a particular subjest to get a better understanding then to focus just on one in it's context. It is better to look at all the scriptures pertaining to the Messiah, to see a picture of Him more completely.
For example recognizing charecteristics or signs of the Messiah.
After those interested glance through these verses, the question is,
How can all these have happened at the same time?
A king would have been honored and not spit upon.
Therefore { I believe } there was a first and second comming.
I can understand why the Jewish people and those who believe in Jesus as a Messiah would have a difference of opinion because of the different verses depicting opposite lifestyles such as His humble and despised life and His majesty as a king
Isaiah 11:11 +++ " And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set His hand again, the Second time to recover the remnant of His people."
I have placed the following in a {most likely} chronological order of events
Some prophets have described Him as a king and judge:
Daniel 7:13 "i saw in a night visions and behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven ..."
Micah 1:3 "For behold the Lord cometh forth out of His place and will come down and tread upon the high places of the earth."
Zechariah 14:4 "And His feet shall stand upon the Mount of olives which is before Jerusalem on the east and the mount of olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west ..."
Isaiah 40:5 "And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together for yhe mouth of the Lord hath spoken it."
Psalms 102:16 "When the Lord shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory"
Jeremish 23:5 "Behold the days come saith the Lord that I will raise unto David, a righteous branch and a king shall reign and prosper and shall execute judgement and justice and justice in the earth,"
Zechariah 14:9 "And the Lords shall be king over all the earth. In that day there shall be one Lord and Hid name one."
Daniel 7:14 "And there was given Him dominion and glory and a kingdom that all people, nations and languages should serve Him. His dominion is a everlasting dominion which shall not pass away and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."
Isaiah 52:10 "The Lord hath made bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God."
Isaiah 43:3 "For I am the Lord thy God, the holy one of Israel, the savior. I gave Egypt for thy ransom, ..."
Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I am the Lord and beside me there is not Saviour."
Hosea 13:4 "I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt and thou shalt know no God but me for there is nor savior beside me."
Isaiah 61:1 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because the Lord hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the meek. He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to them that are bound."
Zechariah 13:6 "And one shall say unto Him, What are these wounds in thins hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends."
Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of david and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced and they shall mourn for Him as one mourneth for his only son and shall be in bitterness for Him as one who is in bitterness for his firstborn."
Other prophesies describe him as a savior, born in humble circumstances, a healer, rejected and bruised
Isaiah 19:20 *** "And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt. For they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressers and He shall send them a savior and a great one and He shall deliver them."
Isaiah 45:17 "But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation. Ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end."
Psalms 2:7 "I will declare the decree, the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son, this day I hath begotten thee."
Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel {God with us}."
Although Isaiah was speaking to Ahaz, the king of Judah at the time {who at the time did not want a sign}, God gave a sign to show in our time {in hindsight} the fulfillment of those words which has made it prophetic in hindsight.
Micah 5:2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto me that is to be a ruler in Israel, whose goings forth have been from of old from everlasting."
Numbers 24:17 "... There shall come a star out of Jacob and a sceptre shall rise out of Israel ..."
Malachi 3.1 "Behold I will send my messenger and He shall prepare the way before me and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His Temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in. Behold He shall come, saith the lord of hosts."
Psalms 27:1 "The Lord is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life, of whom shall I be afraid?"
Exodus 15:2 "The Lord is my strength and song and He is become my salvation. He is my God and I will prepare Him an habitation, my father's God and I will exalt Him."
Isaiah 42:7 "To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house."
I also think this refers to a spiritual blindness as well.
Ezekiel 37:12 "Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God. Behold, O my people, I will open your graves and bring you into the land of israel."
Isaiah 33.22 "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, The Lord is our king. He will save us."
Isaiah 2:4 "And He shall judge among the nations and shall rebuke many people and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into prunining hooks..."
Habakkuk 3:13 "Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people even for salvation with thine anointed ..."
Zechariah 9:9 "rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion, shout, O daughter of Jerusalem, behold, thy king cometh unto thee. He is just and having salvation, lowly and riding upon a colt ..."
Psalms 69:9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me."
I think this refers to extremists who rejected Him
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned everyone to his own way and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
Isaiah 53:4 "surely He hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows, yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God and afficted."
Isaiah 53:5 "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquites.
Isaiah 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair. I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
Isaiah 53:7-8 "He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth. He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter ..."
Psalms 22:16 "They pierced my hands and feet."
Psalms 69:21 "...and in my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink."
compare John 19:29 and Luke 23:36 "And the soldiers also mocked Him, coming to Him and offering Him vinegar." {fulfilled}
Psalms 34:20 "He keepeth all His bones, not one of them is broken."
Compare John 19:31
Psalms 22:18 "They part my garments among them and cast lots upon my vesture."
Compare John 19:23 "Then the soldiers when they crucified Jesus took His garments and made four parts, to every soldier a part and also His coat. Now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. They said therefore among themselves, let us not rend it but cast lots for it, whose it shall be." {fulfilled}
Isaiah 25:8 "He will swallow up death in victory."
Isaiah 26:19 "thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body they shall arise ... The earth shall cast out the dead."
It is more difficult to see or understand future events. For example in Isaiah's day people would have been confounded wondering what Isaiah 60.8 and Isaiah 5.26-30 were about.
Isaiah 60:8 ""Who are these that fly as a cloud and as the doves to their windows?"
This sounds like Isaiah was describing the modern way of travelling, the airplane.
There would have been nothing like it in his day so the best way that he could described it would be to describe how it looks, like a bird.
In Isaiah 5.26-29 "And He will lift up an ensign to the nations from far and will hiss unto them from the end of the earth and behold they shall come with speed swiftly.
None shall be weary or stumble among them, none shall slumber or nor sleep, neither shall the girdle of their loins be loosed nor the latchet of their shoes be broken.
Whose arrows are sharp and all their bows bent. Their horses hoofs shall be counted like flint and their WHEELS LIKE A WHIRLWIND."
This sounds like trains or cars.
The prophesy of Isaiah and other prophets can be confusing even in our day, what is being said and when it is to be fulfilled. Perhapps that is why there is a difference of opinion as to it's proper interpretation.
Prophesies are blended together and sometimes out of chronological order. That makes it more difficult to determine when it will happen.
If signs are difficult to understand, discern, they would be difficult to recognize when they are occuring. That is why they are usually recognized in hindsight.
I think it is better to look at all the scriptures pertaining to a particular subjest to get a better understanding then to focus just on one in it's context. It is better to look at all the scriptures pertaining to the Messiah, to see a picture of Him more completely.
For example recognizing charecteristics or signs of the Messiah.
After those interested glance through these verses, the question is,
How can all these have happened at the same time?
A king would have been honored and not spit upon.
Therefore { I believe } there was a first and second comming.
I can understand why the Jewish people and those who believe in Jesus as a Messiah would have a difference of opinion because of the different verses depicting opposite lifestyles such as His humble and despised life and His majesty as a king
Isaiah 11:11 +++ " And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set His hand again, the Second time to recover the remnant of His people."
I have placed the following in a {most likely} chronological order of events
Some prophets have described Him as a king and judge:
Daniel 7:13 "i saw in a night visions and behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven ..."
Micah 1:3 "For behold the Lord cometh forth out of His place and will come down and tread upon the high places of the earth."
Zechariah 14:4 "And His feet shall stand upon the Mount of olives which is before Jerusalem on the east and the mount of olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west ..."
Isaiah 40:5 "And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together for yhe mouth of the Lord hath spoken it."
Psalms 102:16 "When the Lord shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory"
Jeremish 23:5 "Behold the days come saith the Lord that I will raise unto David, a righteous branch and a king shall reign and prosper and shall execute judgement and justice and justice in the earth,"
Zechariah 14:9 "And the Lords shall be king over all the earth. In that day there shall be one Lord and Hid name one."
Daniel 7:14 "And there was given Him dominion and glory and a kingdom that all people, nations and languages should serve Him. His dominion is a everlasting dominion which shall not pass away and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."
Isaiah 52:10 "The Lord hath made bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God."
Isaiah 43:3 "For I am the Lord thy God, the holy one of Israel, the savior. I gave Egypt for thy ransom, ..."
Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I am the Lord and beside me there is not Saviour."
Hosea 13:4 "I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt and thou shalt know no God but me for there is nor savior beside me."
Isaiah 61:1 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because the Lord hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the meek. He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to them that are bound."
Zechariah 13:6 "And one shall say unto Him, What are these wounds in thins hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends."
Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of david and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced and they shall mourn for Him as one mourneth for his only son and shall be in bitterness for Him as one who is in bitterness for his firstborn."
Other prophesies describe him as a savior, born in humble circumstances, a healer, rejected and bruised
Isaiah 19:20 *** "And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt. For they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressers and He shall send them a savior and a great one and He shall deliver them."
Isaiah 45:17 "But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation. Ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end."
Psalms 2:7 "I will declare the decree, the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son, this day I hath begotten thee."
Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel {God with us}."
Although Isaiah was speaking to Ahaz, the king of Judah at the time {who at the time did not want a sign}, God gave a sign to show in our time {in hindsight} the fulfillment of those words which has made it prophetic in hindsight.
Micah 5:2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto me that is to be a ruler in Israel, whose goings forth have been from of old from everlasting."
Numbers 24:17 "... There shall come a star out of Jacob and a sceptre shall rise out of Israel ..."
Malachi 3.1 "Behold I will send my messenger and He shall prepare the way before me and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His Temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in. Behold He shall come, saith the lord of hosts."
Psalms 27:1 "The Lord is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life, of whom shall I be afraid?"
Exodus 15:2 "The Lord is my strength and song and He is become my salvation. He is my God and I will prepare Him an habitation, my father's God and I will exalt Him."
Isaiah 42:7 "To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house."
I also think this refers to a spiritual blindness as well.
Ezekiel 37:12 "Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God. Behold, O my people, I will open your graves and bring you into the land of israel."
Isaiah 33.22 "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, The Lord is our king. He will save us."
Isaiah 2:4 "And He shall judge among the nations and shall rebuke many people and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into prunining hooks..."
Habakkuk 3:13 "Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people even for salvation with thine anointed ..."
Zechariah 9:9 "rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion, shout, O daughter of Jerusalem, behold, thy king cometh unto thee. He is just and having salvation, lowly and riding upon a colt ..."
Psalms 69:9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me."
I think this refers to extremists who rejected Him
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned everyone to his own way and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
Isaiah 53:4 "surely He hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows, yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God and afficted."
Isaiah 53:5 "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquites.
Isaiah 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair. I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
Isaiah 53:7-8 "He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth. He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter ..."
Psalms 22:16 "They pierced my hands and feet."
Psalms 69:21 "...and in my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink."
compare John 19:29 and Luke 23:36 "And the soldiers also mocked Him, coming to Him and offering Him vinegar." {fulfilled}
Psalms 34:20 "He keepeth all His bones, not one of them is broken."
Compare John 19:31
Psalms 22:18 "They part my garments among them and cast lots upon my vesture."
Compare John 19:23 "Then the soldiers when they crucified Jesus took His garments and made four parts, to every soldier a part and also His coat. Now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. They said therefore among themselves, let us not rend it but cast lots for it, whose it shall be." {fulfilled}
Isaiah 25:8 "He will swallow up death in victory."
Isaiah 26:19 "thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body they shall arise ... The earth shall cast out the dead."