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Violent Pornography
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Pop porn, or porn on the cob? :biglaugh:mr.guy said:
Quite frankly, I haven't a clue. As with most things in life, there are points to be made for both sides; if someone interprets facts in a way as to prove what they want to prove, they'll often succeed......it goes both ways.
Billions of dollars are spent each year in the US on advertising products and services. Advertising has been proven to influence everything from a person's choice in toothpaste to what long distance carrier they will sign up for. If advertising works, is it such a stretch to believe that violent porn might also influence behavior?
The Conspirator
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Advertising and entertainment are two completely different things, they are connected and certain advertisements could be entertaining but they are not the same, theres a big difference between some one eating a candy bar on TV and some one saying its good, just as there is a big difference between some one watching some one shoot some one on TV and some one telling you to shoot some one, if some one released a video saying that raping and murdering a women isn't wrong and makes you feel good to do it rather than just imitating, then that will influence people into doing it, not average people but the people who already have the thoughts in there head but that would give them the reasoning to they won't to do it. No different than if a racist hears another racist say "blacks should be killed", now he already thinks that but, could would give him the motivation to do to it and they would be both responsible for such murders.
Entertainment is seeing things happen while advertising is telling people to do it.
Entertainment is seeing things happen while advertising is telling people to do it.
Fascist Christ
Active Member
It may influence what brand of toothpaste you would buy, but you wouldn't buy it if you weren't going to buy toothpaste to begin with. This is more obvious with bigger purchases. Do you buy a car because you want to buy one or because the commercial told you?Sunstone said:
The point of the commercials you refer to is to get you to buy a particular brand. But there is also advertising that is more general. The "Got Milk" ads are designed, not to get you to buy a particular brand of milk, but to get you to buy milk (period). So, in that case, advertising is being used to influence people who would not otherwise buy milk into buying milk. Is it such a stretch to think that violent porn might influence people who would not otherwise engage in violence towards women to engage in violence towards women?Fascist Christ said:
The Conspirator
Member
But people are not that simple, by saying they are you are saying everyone is a moron who is easily swede into doing something by simply watching it happen. And as I've said, theres a difference between watching something and telling people to do it.
Millions of people every day watch violent action movies, yet no one has gone out and acted those out.
And as I've said, they must first have the fantasy before they watch that crap and they must have little to no conscience for people who have consciouses would not go out a rape and murder, they would never harm and kill some one for pleasure.
Millions of people every day watch violent action movies, yet no one has gone out and acted those out.
And as I've said, they must first have the fantasy before they watch that crap and they must have little to no conscience for people who have consciouses would not go out a rape and murder, they would never harm and kill some one for pleasure.
Fascist Christ
Active Member
But drinking milk is not drastically different from drinking juice or water. It's still drinking. However, having a car and not having a car is pretty significant. Likewise, violence, especially the kind that could lead to murder, is extremely different from non-violence. It takes more than just suggestion to drive somone over that limit.Sunstone said:
The Conspirator
Member
Sunstone said:
Only a moron can be perswayeded to harm some one based on watching it and no one is that dumb.
Copy cat crminels copy crime that make the news, its a way of getting recednition and fame.
The Conspirator
Member
Ok then I'll rephrase it.
No one no matter how moronic they are is that moronic.
No one no matter how moronic they are is that moronic.
sonflour_2001
Member
Hmmm....this is a difficult.
Okay I'll make a few assumptions.
1.) All human beings contain some type of capacity for violence, just as they contain some type of capacity for love. The type of person you are depends on how you choose to nurture it with the decisions you make in the experiences that make up your unique life.
2.) Which came first: the violence, or the violent porn? Obviously, according to the laws of supply and demand, violent porn would not exist if there wasn't a demand for it. So initally the want for a visual medium that corresponds to some people's desires resulted in the creation of violent porn.
3.) If porn in response to violent needs, does that mean that it's impossible for it to influence someone with no previous interest in violent sex to now wish to engage in these acts? This is a difficult issue. I think it can. Based off the assumption of #1 which assumes the notion of nurturing qualities in a person, watching violent pornography can nurture the already present violent tendency in humanity. Moreover, b/c it's on a socially accepted medium such as T.V., one now also has the justification for doing these acts. And, frighteningly sometimes, that's all one needs: the knowledge that maybe it's a little okay if it's done in secret, just as porn is oftentimes watched in secret.
I know I'm missing some stuff here. I kind of personally wrapped up in the argument as a female. Very truthfully, I've watched porn before, and it has appealed to me on a very base level. We are all human and we all experience sexual urges. Thus, the sight of two other humans acting on those urges is arousing. I was never disturbed by the sexual aspect of porn. My sadness came from the emptiness that is always involved or implied in porn. After the mindless use of bodies for gratification, their is no appreciation for the miracle of the human body, or wonder at the beautiful fact that the simplist of touches from someone you want can bring joy and pleasure. I'm always saddened by how the actors/actresses settled for mere physical pleasure, when physical pleasure combined with love is so much better.
As for my influences, I already craved sexual gratification, so when I finished with the porn, I would very truthfully say to myself, yeah I want that pleasure, but so much more than that as well.
So do I think violent porn, animal porn, and child porn should be eliminated? Yep. All of the beings in these categories share a similarity, they aren't able to choose whether or not they wanted to engage in these acts. As for other porn that simply depicts humans engaging in sexual acts, I don't think they need to be outlawed. If anything, taboos need to be eliminated and people need to have more frank and open discussion about pornography with families, children, and friends. Shoot...one of the reasons why I'm a virgin today is b/c my family never instilled in me any sense of taboo related to sexual practices. They taught me that it was a great thing that could be abused like anything else, and should be enjoyable and cherished as one of life's miracles. Man they were so open about it that they took the fun out of any secrecy and hush stuff that oftentimes surrounds sex. Ah well. You got my 2 cents worth of thought. I kinda ramble.
Dee
Okay I'll make a few assumptions.
1.) All human beings contain some type of capacity for violence, just as they contain some type of capacity for love. The type of person you are depends on how you choose to nurture it with the decisions you make in the experiences that make up your unique life.
2.) Which came first: the violence, or the violent porn? Obviously, according to the laws of supply and demand, violent porn would not exist if there wasn't a demand for it. So initally the want for a visual medium that corresponds to some people's desires resulted in the creation of violent porn.
3.) If porn in response to violent needs, does that mean that it's impossible for it to influence someone with no previous interest in violent sex to now wish to engage in these acts? This is a difficult issue. I think it can. Based off the assumption of #1 which assumes the notion of nurturing qualities in a person, watching violent pornography can nurture the already present violent tendency in humanity. Moreover, b/c it's on a socially accepted medium such as T.V., one now also has the justification for doing these acts. And, frighteningly sometimes, that's all one needs: the knowledge that maybe it's a little okay if it's done in secret, just as porn is oftentimes watched in secret.
I know I'm missing some stuff here. I kind of personally wrapped up in the argument as a female. Very truthfully, I've watched porn before, and it has appealed to me on a very base level. We are all human and we all experience sexual urges. Thus, the sight of two other humans acting on those urges is arousing. I was never disturbed by the sexual aspect of porn. My sadness came from the emptiness that is always involved or implied in porn. After the mindless use of bodies for gratification, their is no appreciation for the miracle of the human body, or wonder at the beautiful fact that the simplist of touches from someone you want can bring joy and pleasure. I'm always saddened by how the actors/actresses settled for mere physical pleasure, when physical pleasure combined with love is so much better.
As for my influences, I already craved sexual gratification, so when I finished with the porn, I would very truthfully say to myself, yeah I want that pleasure, but so much more than that as well.
So do I think violent porn, animal porn, and child porn should be eliminated? Yep. All of the beings in these categories share a similarity, they aren't able to choose whether or not they wanted to engage in these acts. As for other porn that simply depicts humans engaging in sexual acts, I don't think they need to be outlawed. If anything, taboos need to be eliminated and people need to have more frank and open discussion about pornography with families, children, and friends. Shoot...one of the reasons why I'm a virgin today is b/c my family never instilled in me any sense of taboo related to sexual practices. They taught me that it was a great thing that could be abused like anything else, and should be enjoyable and cherished as one of life's miracles. Man they were so open about it that they took the fun out of any secrecy and hush stuff that oftentimes surrounds sex. Ah well. You got my 2 cents worth of thought. I kinda ramble.
Dee