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Nature vs. Nurture?

Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Perhaps the original question was too broad. The more I think about this issue, the more convinced I am that the question of nature vs. nurture has to be answered on a case by case basis. For instance, I've read that twin studies indicate intelligence is 80% nature (genetic) and only 20% nurture (environment), while diabetes is about 50% nature and 50% nurture. So, it varies depending on specifically what thing one is talking about.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Any free-style wrestler will tell you, the moves you learn, you do them so often, you will automatically do them in certain situations. I have taken so many bumps in a wrestling ring, whenever I slip and fall, I automatically go through the motions of taking a bump.
I don't think anything related to personality traits is a cause of genetics.

So people who murder think it is right at the time they do it? And what about psychopaths? They have no conscience and it is believed to be genetic...
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One theory is that they are listening to a voice tells them what to do. Maybe the voices are real.
 
Darkdale

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
Instinct is the word used to describe inherent dispositions towards particular actions. Instincts are generally an inherited pattern of responses or reactions to certain kinds of situations. In humans, they are most easily observed in responses to emotions and bodily functions. Instincts generally serve to set in motion mechanisms that evoke an organism to action. The particular actions performed may be influenced by learning, environments, and natural principles. Generally, instinct is not used to describe an existing condition or established state.
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From Wikipedia

Our choices are effected by our genes, instincts, desires, fears and reason.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Human beings possess NO instincts. An instinct is defined by 5 things:

1. Must be brought on by a stimulus that only has to occur once
2. Consistant throughout the entire species
3. Complex in nature
4. Must occur in the same sequence always
5. Completely innate, UNLEARNED

This is what I remember from college and the professor made it clear that some McDougal fellow was one of the last to say humans have instincts. The new text books in school does not allow humans to have instincts. There is much research one can do on this.

~Victor
 
Ormiston

Ormiston

Well-Known Member
Victor said:
Human beings possess NO instincts. An instinct is defined by 5 things:

1. Must be brought on by a stimulus that only has to occur once
2. Consistant throughout the entire species
3. Complex in nature
4. Must occur in the same sequence always
5. Completely innate, UNLEARNED

This is what I remember from college and the professor made it clear that some McDougal fellow was one of the last to say humans have instincts. The new text books in school does not allow humans to have instincts. There is much research one can do on this.

~Victor
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What about crying and suckling from infants?
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Ormiston said:
What about crying and suckling from infants?
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added to which you can add pain, the 'instinct ?' to breathe........to be happy or sad (in a baby, still); after all, Mum never has to teach baby to laugh and giggle when she tickles her child, or makes funny faces at him/her............
 
Ryan2065

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
Victor said:
That is as close as we get but it violates number 5 because it can be unlearned.
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Sex is an instinct... Or are you saying that if everyone died but one female and one male the human race would be doomed because without being taught they would not know how to make a baby?
 
Jaymes

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Victor said:
That is as close as we get but it violates number 5 because it can be unlearned.

~Victor
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Number 5 says nothing about it being able to be unlearned, just that it must not be learned.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Ryan2065 said:
Sex is an instinct... Or are you saying that if everyone died but one female and one male the human race would be doomed because without being taught they would not know how to make a baby?
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No it's not. Read the five points.

~Victor
 
Darkdale

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
Victor said:
Human beings possess NO instincts. An instinct is defined by 5 things:

1. Must be brought on by a stimulus that only has to occur once
2. Consistant throughout the entire species
3. Complex in nature
4. Must occur in the same sequence always
5. Completely innate, UNLEARNED

This is what I remember from college and the professor made it clear that some McDougal fellow was one of the last to say humans have instincts. The new text books in school does not allow humans to have instincts. There is much research one can do on this.

~Victor
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Instinct is the word used to describe inherent dispositions towards particular actions. Instincts are generally an inherited pattern of responses or reactions to certain kinds of situations. In humans, they are most easily observed in responses to emotions and bodily functions. Instincts generally serve to set in motion mechanisms that evoke an organism to action. The particular actions performed may be influenced by learning, environments, and natural principles. Generally, instinct is not used to describe an existing condition or established state.
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From Wikipedia

Our choices are effected by our genes, instincts, desires, fears and reason.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Jensa said:
There's a difference between that and saying that it's only an instinct if you can't unlearn it.
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Can't unlearn it = Instinct IF it still fulfills the other four as well
But I see what you mean now.

~Victor
 
W

world nonpotent

Member
Nature is not the true knowledge in experience, and nurture is not the Experience from the light of the Universe. Instead, the author of this thread has contained for us the gene pool to contend from science as to the virtues of that branch of science, and the environmental understanding as to that conceptual way of living the truly contended psychology.

Science is not contended any longer to decide the improvement of epistimic essentializing for the Truth of the use of the word, the meaning of what IS the implicit source of traditional understanding for people to understand each other at Work (less commited to materialism:jam: ). Science is refered to the psychology of why we are who we are for the reasons of a kind of referendum of selfishness, atruistic essence, or fleeing from anxietyKnockout . This is all just toevaluate our senses for banging up the utility of MAN to his irresponsobility to ... is it his Ancestors, or is it his environmentally degraded World.

Hey: this is as good as "God is Dead!!":help:

I'll just answer the word is MY nurture from the underground, and the people are my environment for the "LORD".:eek:
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Darkdale said:
From Wikipedia

Our choices are effected by our genes, instincts, desires, fears and reason.
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Of course they are affected. But with instincts one basically has no choice. That is different then saying you are influenced or affected by.

~Victor
 
W

world nonpotent

Member
So I can't choose to choose, guys. Otherwise, you are dealing on a plain of ordered contingency; maybe the point is Kantian aesthetics. All is Art, eh?
 
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