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Big blunder by the Institute for Creation Research

outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Mestemia said:
My point being that death was a punishment because not only do people fear death, it is a direct slap in the face of their desire to live forever.
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And what a better way to generate faith and followers, then to promise something one never has to delivery and there is no proof of.
 
meogi

meogi

Well-Known Member
Krok said:
I 'm very lucky then. I've got no problems with that. After my death I'll be in the same condition I was in before I was conceived.That's what all the empirical evidence indicate. It's not punishment nor blessing, it's fact.
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Not lucky, rational. :)

gnostic said:
No where does it say Genesis, BEFORE they ate the forbidden fruit, would they live forever.
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You're right, it didn't. But it is implied. It's the reason Jesus is referred to as The Redeemer. Redeeming us from what? Being cast out and dying. This is just a semantics debate, and if you want to continue, I'll cede in advance.

What I was attempting to get across still remains: people often see death as punishment.

Mestemia said:
My point being that death was a punishment because not only do people fear death, it is a direct slap in the face of their desire to live forever.
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Frubals.
 
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Krok

Active Member
meogi said:
Not lucky, rational. :)

You're right, it didn't. But it is implied. It's the reason Jesus is referred to as The Redeemer. Redeeming us from what? Being cast out and dying. This is just a semantics debate, and if you want to continue, I'll cede in advance.

What I was attempting to get across still remains: people often see death as punishment.
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I know you responed to gnostic, but I wanted to cede first! Does it mean that I won? :p :beach:
 
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Krok

Active Member
Mestemia said:
My point being that death was a punishment because not only do people fear death, it is a direct slap in the face of their desire to live forever.
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Nothing like a little bite of reality for them, then? Maybe taking a bite from that fruit in the tree planted in the middle of paradise was good for them, after all. Not so deluded afterwards.

If they're too stupid to realise that death is not a punishment, but a fact, you can only feel sorry for them.

I mean, what did that parrot in the forests of the Congo do to fall over and die when it's heart stopped beating? That parrot also fears death and tries to avoid it (basically at all costs), but **** happens. No punishment for his or her sins, was it?
 
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keithterrill

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It may have been pointed out already, I am just jumping on here at this point... Prohibition against Incest does not occur until well after Adam, Eve, Cain, etc. It is handed down in the Mosaic law: Deuteronomy 27:23, Leviticus 18:17 and 20:14. Until then this law would not apply.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
So sistermongering was a-okay until 1500 B.C.? And it's okay for everyone who isn't Hebrew?

Or perhaps Genesis 1:26 and chapter 2 are referring to 2 different sets of mankind? Who did Cain build the city for? 5 people?

PS Whether Sarah really was Abraham's sister is up to debate if he was lying on those two occasions.
 
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