Creation Poll

How do you think the Universe was created? Tell us why you think that?

That's what the "Other" is for. Edit "This was in reply to a question Mr. Spinkles had and deleted.

Cluster bombs create babies and never harms people, Atom bombs create Hummingbirds and Elephants, the only fallout is 1000 dollar bills!
Do I believe in the BIG(LIE)BANG? YEAH, RIGHT!

I may be wrong, but doesn't the category 'God Created the Universe' encompass the mixture that you guys are talking about, because it only specefies that God created the universe, not in which state the universe was at its inception. Along this theory, He would have been able to create the big atomic mass which exploded. Or am I missing the point, or the whole boat...?

Not that anyone missed me, but I'm baaaaaack! *The Boys Are Back in Town*

To believe in evolution, or the big bang takes more faith than to believe in itelligent design. Oh, Hirohito, your signature is interesting. It's been my experience that people who claim christians judge them are very insecure, and often resort to name calling so attention is drawn away from their faults.

And yet, the Bible says "Judge not, lest ye be judged". Looks like Hirohito's signature was fairly accurate....

big bang theory

I voted other because I do not believe that scientific theories exclude God. Just because scientific theory contradicts Creationism (as defined by the literal translation of the Bible) does not indicate that it rejects the presence of God. Scientific theory does not address the "God" issue at all.

Mr_Spinkles said:

And yet, the Bible says "Judge not, lest ye be judged". Looks like Hirohito's signature was fairly accurate....

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I'm always amazed at the biblical "scholars" on this site. The verse refered to here is speaking of judging to condemnation. I simply stated my opinion. I hope that's O K.
"Stop judging me" is normally the cry of someone who is offended when they hear the truth.

Although I accept all beliefs as equally valid, I was a participant in a medicine wheel that shared the start of the universe, in the Western Cherokee tradition, and it resonated with me. I invariably mess it up, however, so I don't want to sully it by repeating it wrong.

The thing that struck me, though, was that I was already there, and that the bit of light that makes up every creature, every being, was already there.

Gonna have a sniffle at the memory, now. *fumbles for a tissue*

ok, lol, im putting that sig back up, finally got some attention wOotz0rZ
and I stand by that bwt

Well, from what I understand the question to be, is wheather I believe in Creation or Evolution...I believe that Creation was the catalist, and Evolution took it from there. I believe that Creation and Evolution work together. What I don't understand is how the debate on Christians Judging people came about. I learned long ago in Church that yes, Christians do Judge, even I use to. So any Christians whom read Hirohito's signature and got their fruit of the looms in a bunch need to be honest and stop being angry, what kind of Christian is angry?

if you don't belive in the litleral meaning of creation then whats stopping you from taking the other books of the bible as not being literal. I voted for creation as Genesis tells it and I belive every word of it. I don't agree with the church that Genesis is not meant to be literal.

what kind of Christian is angry?

A christian who follows Jesus. Remeber Jesus got pretty upset when dealing with the Pharisees and Saduccess but that isnt about this topic perhaps you can get a hold of me another way and we can debate this further.

what kind of Christian is angry?

A christian who follows Jesus. Remeber Jesus got pretty upset when dealing with the Pharisees and Saduccess but that isnt about this topic perhaps you can get a hold of me another way and we can debate this further.


We are not Jesus and to be angry is a sin. So if we are Christians and therefore are supposed to come from a loving space as commanded, then being angry simply because someone states the truth about judging others shows us to be in error, not to mention hypocritical. Many Christians do judge, while many do not. But to get upset over it is a waste of time.

You also stated: I don't agree with the church that Genesis is not meant to be literal.

Very little of the Bible is meant to be taken literally. You cannot give an 'Eye for an eye' and at the same time 'Turn the other cheek'.

As for an alternate way to communicate with you, there seems to be some kind of message thingy somewhere in here, and a buddy list, whatever that is...i'm still fairly new here and haven't figured everything out yet. Good luck, and God Bless you.

Science will never be able to find a solution to a naturalistic beginning of the universe, matter or life. GOD cannot be seen by the natural view so science will never get the correct answer to these questions.

Scientificly speaking there are too many things about the natural world that appear to be tuned to provide life, starting with atomic structure on up to our very position in the milkyway but most people don't see the forest for the tree's so they miss the overview that thousands of near impossibilities had to occur naturally (if you are an athiest) in order for us to be here now.
Even after many years of intense scientific study there is still no conclusive answer to our own beginnings why do you think that is? if it is natural then things have to happen according to laws of physics and chemistry right? then what is the problem with science giving a definite answer?

The reason why science can never provide an answer is that our beginnings did not occur naturally so the chance that science can figure it out is 0%

Science will never be able to find a solution to a naturalistic beginning of the universe, matter or life.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."~Charles Darwin

kbc-- first you say that there are "too many things about the natural world that appear to be tuned to provide life" and then you say "thousands of near impossibilities had to occur naturally (if you are an athiest) in order for us to be here now". I'm not sure I understand how nature can both be fine tuned to provide life and contain near impossibilities for life at the same time.

Unlike religion, science is objectively critical--science knows that we do not know everything, but that we are contrained in what we know by the observations we are able to currently make. Religion is what you will find claiming to know everything, but actually knowing nothing apart from what it accepts from science...the rest of religious doctrine is a combination of speculation, conformity, and wishful thinking.

I like what Greyson said...at least he realizes that big bang theory is not about who or what created life, but how this process occurred. That a Big Bang occurred does not contradict belief in God, it only contradicts fundamentalist beliefs in a 6,000 year old flat Earth with perfect crystalline spheres orbiting in perfect circles in the heavens around it.

Ye sover beings, who feel yourselves armed against passion and fantasy, and would gladly make a pride and an ornament out of your emptiness, ye call yourselves realists, and give to understand that the world is actually constituted as it appears to you; before you alone reality stand unveiled,

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Neitzche

I can quote famous people too

or if you want I could quote famous scientists such as Einstein.

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

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Quotes get us no where

flat Earth with perfect crystalline spheres orbiting in perfect circles in the heavens around it.

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The earth is not flat?! The universe does not revolve around the earth?! Heresy I say, Heresy.

Mister Emu-- Quotes certainly get us nowhere when they are off topic, and taken out of context. I had no idea Einstein and Neitzche were creationists... :sarcastic

For a more in-depth discussion of how the birth of science ended the bogus belief in a geocentric universe of perfect crystalline spheres, please see the "Accepting an Imperfect Universe" thread in the Science vs. Religion forum.

Quotes certainly get us nowhere when they are off topic, and taken out of context.

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They were not off topic(as the topic is how the universe was created). As for context, If you can show me that they were taken out of context then by all means do so.

I had no idea Einstein and Neitzche were creationists...

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We all know that Darwin did not believe in God, yet that does not stop you from quoting him against creationists

For a more in-depth discussion of how the birth of science ended the bogus belief in a geocentric universe of perfect crystalline spheres, please see the "Accepting an Imperfect Universe" thread in the Science vs. Religion forum.

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I will not read such blashpemous writings HERETIC!!