what would a new religion have to be like to replace all the other religions?

charles brough · Aug 5, 2011

Why does everyone think of mystery, magic, and myth when they think of religion, old or new?

Christianity and Islam were considered to be far advanced over the old beliefs of the day from one to two millenia ago when they spread over the continents. So unscientific doctrines, mysticism and myth are not what made them successful A successful religion now in modern times would also have to be advanced for the times. All the new ones described in this forum are static, unsuccessful. None of them show any promise of replacing the old religions that now divide the world.

In http://civilization-overview.com you can find a facsimile of what a modern one would have to be like to succeed.

brough

Bob Dixon · Aug 11, 2011

On the contrary, I think that a new religion would still have to be monotheistic.
Now, what this "theos" is can be debated, but...

YmirGF · Aug 11, 2011

charles brough said:
Why does everyone think of mystery, magic, and myth when they think of religion, old or new?

Um, both. It's religion. It's not supposed to make a great deal of sense.

charles brough said:
Christianity and Islam were considered to be far advanced over the old beliefs of the day from one to two millenia ago when they spread over the continents.

But were they really advancements? Considering that both piggybacked and borrowed from Judaism, it was more of a opportunistic leap of faith rather than any kind of so-called advance.

charles brough said:
So unscientific doctrines, mysticism and myth are not what made them successful.

Actually mysticism and myth were what fueled them. To minimize these aspects is to miss a facet of their enduring nature.

charles brough said:
A successful religion now in modern times would also have to be advanced for the times.

Like a progressive meme that shouts down all opposition to itself with overbearing self-righteousness?

charles brough said:
All the new ones described in this forum are static, unsuccessful. None of them show any promise of replacing the old religions that now divide the world.

So.... you want to create a new religion thereby introducing yet another division in humanity. Freaking brilliant.

charles brough said:
In http://civilization-overview.com you can find a facsimile of what a modern one would have to be like to succeed.

So we're going to make "progressive" thought the new opiate of the simple, unwashed masses? What fun. :facepalm:

Splarnst · Aug 11, 2011

I think an ability to provide correct and meaningful answers to humankind's questions would be a good first step. I've never seen a religion that actually does that.

Bob Dixon · Aug 12, 2011

Splarnst said:
I think an ability to provide correct and meaningful answers to humankind's questions would be a good first step. I've never seen a religion that actually does that.

Maybe we're just not asking the right questions.
Or we're just not asking the questions right.

Splarnst · Aug 12, 2011

Bob Dixon said:
Maybe we're just not asking the right questions. Or we're just not asking the questions right.

Whatever the case, I've never seen it happen.

Iti oj · Nov 16, 2011

charles brough said:
Why does everyone think of mystery, magic, and myth when they think of religion, old or new?

Christianity and Islam were considered to be far advanced over the old beliefs of the day from one to two millenia ago when they spread over the continents. So unscientific doctrines, mysticism and myth are not what made them successful A successful religion now in modern times would also have to be advanced for the times. All the new ones described in this forum are static, unsuccessful. None of them show any promise of replacing the old religions that now divide the world.

In http://civilization-overview.com you can find a facsimile of what a modern one would have to be like to succeed.

brough

no religion could replace all the religions based off its doctrine and decelerations of faith.

if a new religion poped up and started to solve all the worlds problems like hunger war diseas...then it could take over.

apophenia · Nov 16, 2011

Iti oj said:
no religion could replace all the religions based off its doctrine and decelerations of faith.

if a new religion poped up and started to solve all the worlds problems like hunger war diseas...then it could take over.

No religion ever solved the problems of hunger war and disease. In fact those are the very things that drive people to religion. If a new religion did offer solutions to those problems, I suspect that it would face vehement opposition from powerful and well-funded interest groups whose power is derived from the management of those problems.

Some might say that christianity or islam or buddhism have within them the solutions to those problems, but that would be pointless assertion given that the problems were never overcome.

Christianity teaches 'resist ye not evil' and 'give unto caesar what is caesar's', so has implicitly capitulated at the get go, and I note that Gautama was royalty and his analysis of the causes of human suffering did not mention minority control of resources or the conscription of common people into wars.

I think a 'new' religion would only arise as a response to a new kind of crisis, like an alien invasion or total environmental collapse - something which undermined existing power structures (within and without) at a root level.

Tonymai · Nov 17, 2011

Personal religion: each individual discovers God by himself as himself and for himself. All religionists went through the same process, they comprehend each other and love each other. There is no more organized institution of religion such as Christianity.

Otherright · Nov 17, 2011

charles brough said:
Why does everyone think of mystery, magic, and myth when they think of religion, old or new?

Christianity and Islam were considered to be far advanced over the old beliefs of the day from one to two millenia ago when they spread over the continents. So unscientific doctrines, mysticism and myth are not what made them successful A successful religion now in modern times would also have to be advanced for the times. All the new ones described in this forum are static, unsuccessful. None of them show any promise of replacing the old religions that now divide the world.

In http://civilization-overview.com you can find a facsimile of what a modern one would have to be like to succeed.

brough

Buddhism is far older than both Christianity and Islam. Works great in my opinion.

Iti oj · Nov 17, 2011

apophenia said:
No religion ever solved the problems of hunger war and disease. In fact those are the very things that drive people to religion. If a new religion did offer solutions to those problems, I suspect that it would face vehement opposition from powerful and well-funded interest groups whose power is derived from the management of those problems.

Some might say that christianity or islam or buddhism have within them the solutions to those problems, but that would be pointless assertion given that the problems were never overcome.

Christianity teaches 'resist ye not evil' and 'give unto caesar what is caesar's', so has implicitly capitulated at the get go, and I note that Gautama was royalty and his analysis of the causes of human suffering did not mention minority control of resources or the conscription of common people into wars.

I think a 'new' religion would only arise as a response to a new kind of crisis, like an alien invasion or total environmental collapse - something which undermined existing power structures (within and without) at a root level.

well said new problems new religions to answer them. lol maybe Scientology would explode....lets hope not. \

if more advanced aliens peacefully came would we adopt their religion?

Protester · Nov 20, 2011

Iti oj said:
well said new problems new religions to answer them. lol maybe Scientology would explode....lets hope not. \

if more advanced aliens peacefully came would we adopt their religion?

Scientology?

I would suggest you look into the history of it, it was not designed to solve world problems?

As the British program Panorama put it:

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The Secrets of Scientology (1/4) - YouTube

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The Secrets of Scientology (2/4) - YouTube

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The Secrets of Scientology (3/4) - YouTube

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The Secrets of Scientology (4/4) - YouTube

A four part youtube of what was on the BBC

A short monograph on the topic, With all of the different religions, how can I know which one is correct?

Iti oj · Nov 20, 2011

Protester said:
Scientology?

I would suggest you look into the history of it, it was not designed to solve world problems?...

I think you missed my joke and my actual point.

Tarenn · Nov 21, 2011

Some very impressive and widely visible miracles would be a good start.

apophenia · Nov 25, 2011

Iti oj said:
if more advanced aliens peacefully came would we adopt their religion?

i wonder if a thinktank somewhere isn't pondering that very question ... some genetically engineered aliens to trump our geopolitical gridlock, or circumvent the rising power of islam or china ? might work

is more advanced proved by technology, poetry or happiness ?

Iti oj · Nov 27, 2011

apophenia said:
i wonder if a thinktank somewhere isn't pondering that very question ... some genetically engineered aliens to trump our geopolitical gridlock, or circumvent the rising power of islam or china ? might work

is more advanced proved by technology, poetry or happiness ?

Sadly I agree with that. Most certianaly would mix things up.
I would hazard Technology...albeit in any halfway decent society all three should grow together.

Antibush5 · Nov 29, 2011

I'm thinking that eventually somebody will start the Cultus Mechanicus and that will be a big old hit.

kerravon · Dec 9, 2011

apophenia said:
I think a 'new' religion would only arise as a response to a new kind of crisis, like an alien invasion or total environmental collapse - something which undermined existing power structures (within and without) at a root level.

How about this, that arose in response to 9/11?

The Holy Book of Mu'tazilah

Antiochian · Dec 10, 2011

Maybe the most successful new religion would give each convert a million dollars. There's a novel concept--a church that gives you money rather than asking for it.

Protester · Dec 11, 2011

Antibush5 said:
I'm thinking that eventually somebody will start the Cultus Mechanicus and that will be a big old hit.

Something like, [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]How is belief in God any different from Flying Spaghetti Monsterism?[/FONT]

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