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Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

Feathers in Hair

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
Faith_is_an_assurance said:
We cannot fight evil with evil.

Fighting evil using witchcraft and magic does not work.
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First of all, please do not call followers of my path evil. It's not becoming to you or to the members of your faith that preach that.

As for the second, it seems to be working for me.
 
FFH

FFH

Veteran Member
FeathersinHair said:
First of all, please do not call followers of my path evil. It's not becoming to you or to the members of your faith that preach that.

As for the second, it seems to be working for me.
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I did not call followers of your path or any other path evil. I would never do such a thing. No one is evil but Satan and his spirit followers. We are only mortals who do good and bad things.

I call evil evil and good good.

Witchcraft is evil, magic is evil. People are neither evil nor good.

The scriptures

We only do evil and good deeds. Does this make us evil or good ???

I would never say anyone is evil or good.

"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God."
Luke 18: 19

None is good but God.

I am only saying that witchcraft and magic is done by the power of Satan which is evil. This is doctrine taught in the Bible.

Yes, Satan does have power and can impart that power to humans on earth. I believe that witchcraft and magic are forms of Satan's power. Satan's power is real and so is God's power.
 
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Majikthise

Guest
Looks like a cool movie, can't wait to see it! I really liked the last one. Nice and dark.:cool:
 
facetiousme

facetiousme

Member
Personally, I love the books. They are VERY well written and very entertaining. When the book and/or movie is over, I don't run around worshipping Albus Dumbldore and claiming Voldemort as the root of all evil. I also don't attempt any magic spells or try to put curses on people. It is a FICTIONAL book about FICTIONAL people and FICTIONAL magic. I'd much rather read an entertaining work of FICTION than turn on the news and watch REAL evil in the streets of France caused by REAL people and causing REAL destruction and REAL death.
 
jeffrey

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Faith_is_an_assurance said:
Harry Potter has no place in a church. The same thing happens in every church. Kids are bringing Harry Potter series books to church, and reading them during church. The Bible is being left at home and the Harry Potter books brought to church. Do you want your kids learning how to combat Satan and evil using Harry Potter methods or methods of the Bible.

We would all rather get our philosophies from movies, music and books rather than the Bible.
"But now, O Lord, thou are our father, we are the clay, and thou our POTTER, and we all are the work of thy hand."
Isaiah 64: 8
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repeat after me. "It is only a movie. it is only a book. it is not real." My kids are smart enough to know it is just a fantasy. By trying to keep kids from reading such things keeps them from expanding their minds. The mind is a terrible thing to waste. Don't close it in.
 
JerryL

JerryL

Well-Known Member
Harry Potter is good verses evil, where good wins. Is that not also what the Bible teaches?
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No. The Bible teaches that God is all-mighty and should be obeyed. Have you not read it?

First of all, please do not call followers of my path evil.
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The Bible teaches that power which is not of God is of the devil.

"Do not allow a sorceress to live. " - Exodus 22:18
 
lilithu

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
Majikthise said:
Looks like a cool movie, can't wait to see it! I really liked the last one. Nice and dark.:cool:
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The third book, upon which the last movie was based, is still my favorite out of the six thus far. Yes, dark, but also loving. Not overly sentimental; not overly cynical. It was extremely poignant. And the movie was the best adaptation thus far. It was the least true to the letter of the book and the most true to its spirit.

Not to play spoiler to anyone who hasn't read the latest (sixth) book yet, but did anyone else feel like current events had crept into Rowling's world? I couldn't help but see the obviously draconian actions of the ministry of magic as a commentary on our current "war on terror."
 
jeffrey

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
JerryL said:
No. The Bible teaches that God is all-mighty and should be obeyed. Have you not read it?
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I have read it many a time. But I guess you only read the parts you want. Once again. IT IS NOT REAL. IT IS MAKE BELIEVE! It is ENTERTAINMENT! It is not ment to be GOSPEL. It is a book. Not a Bible. Now if your child or yourself has a problem distinguishing between fantasy and reality, then maybe it would be best not to read it. Or any other fictional book.
 
The Black Whirlwind

The Black Whirlwind

Well-Known Member
I like the Harry Potter books, but i find them too repetitive. Stay at Durselys, whine for a while, go to school, find out a weird scheme to destroy school or magic or whatever, find a way to defeat scheme that is always, in some way, tied to voldemort, thwart scheme, become hero for a week, go home. Its the same formula. Still good reads though.
 
Feathers in Hair

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
lilithu said:
The third book, upon which the last movie was based, is still my favorite out of the six thus far. Yes, dark, but also loving. Not overly sentimental; not overly cynical. It was extremely poignant. And the movie was the best adaptation thus far. It was the least true to the letter of the book and the most true to its spirit.
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I quite agree. Lupin is my favorite character, and the interplay between he and Sirius was incredibly touching.

lilithu said:
Not to play spoiler to anyone who hasn't read the latest (sixth) book yet, but did anyone else feel like current events had crept into Rowling's world? I couldn't help but see the obviously draconian actions of the ministry of magic as a commentary on our current "war on terror."
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Yeeearrrrggghhhh.... I felt that, but not necessarily in a bad way. It was kind of like a bonding between the world we live in and the HP-verse. *crosses fingers that everything turns out okay with my other favorite professor*

Faith, it's obvious that you believe in something different than I. I will respect your right to your beliefs, and I hope that you will respect my right to not have one of the practices of my faith (witchcraft) called evil.
 
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Storm Moon

† Spiritual Warrior †
Good grief, I can't believe that some people think that if you read this stuff you'll become an evildoer with no morals whatsoever. Get a clue people! This stuff if fictional. I hope some of you here preaching that it's evil can learn the difference between what's real and FICTION.
 
lilithu

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
FeathersinHair said:
I quite agree. Lupin is my favorite character, and the interplay between he and Sirius was incredibly touching.
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Interesting, 'cause Sirius was probably my favorite character. :D (tho of course I'm very fond of Lupin)


FeathersinHair said:
Yeeearrrrggghhhh.... I felt that, but not necessarily in a bad way. It was kind of like a bonding between the world we live in and the HP-verse. *crosses fingers that everything turns out okay with my other favorite professor*
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I didn't mean it was bad at all. I was just surprised because I never noticed anything overtly political in the previous 5 books. I mean, there was the ineptness of the ministry, but I chalked that up to the general "most grownups are inept" attittude of the books (which is completely understandable since the books are geared towards kids). But the stuff about arresting people that they knew to be innocent just to look like their doing something to protect people hit too close to home. Rowling is a great story-teller, but I had not thought of her stories as social commentary the way that Terry Pratchett's stories so obviously are.

I am not sure who your other favorite professor is, but I am absolutely and utterly and completely certain that Dumbledore's faith was not misplaced.
 
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Idontknow

Member
Storm MoonGood grief, I can't believe that some people think that if you read this stuff you'll become an evildoer with no morals whatsoever. Get a clue people! This stuff if fictional. I hope some of you here preaching that it's evil can learn the difference between what's real and FICTION.

Emm your hopings are going to trash, how you ask someone who believes and lives in an extreme fiction world where you go to hell if you...emm...just live... learn between what is real and whats not
 
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Storm Moon

† Spiritual Warrior †
Idontknow said:
Emm your hopings are going to trash, how you ask someone who believes and lives in an extreme fiction world where you go to hell if you...emm...just live... learn between what is real and whats not
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What exactly are you getting at here? Care to speak a little english? I was only saying that people shouldn't take these books too seriously.
 
lilithu

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
******Warning: potential spoiler for those who have not yet read book six.******




FeathersinHair said:
Well, for someone who isn't sure who my other favorite prof. is, you nailed it! (And I agree!)
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Feathers, dear sweet sister in sentiment,

The reason why I wasn't sure is because I know of no one else other than myself who actually likes that particular professor. I cannot say that he is one of my favorites; he does too many petty and vindictive things that make me cringe. But I understand why he does what he does and have deep sympathy for his pain and anger. He's one of the characters whom I care most about, am most emotionally invested in. I literally cried for him in the latest book - so unfair to be put in that position, so alone - and I am probably more looking forward to his vindication than I am to the defeat of Voldemort and the triumph of good over evil.
 
nutshell

nutshell

Well-Known Member
^^^That professor is my favorite too. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next book. I can't wait (but I'll have to)!
 
JerryL

JerryL

Well-Known Member
I have read it many a time. But I guess you only read the parts you want. Once again. IT IS NOT REAL. IT IS MAKE BELIEVE! It is ENTERTAINMENT! It is not ment to be GOSPEL. It is a book. Not a Bible. Now if your child or yourself has a problem distinguishing between fantasy and reality, then maybe it would be best not to read it. Or any other fictional book.
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No one claimed it was real; but several people pointed out that it teaches moral lessons... morals which are contrary to Biblical teachings... not to mention something of a glorification of magic and personal power.
 
JerryL

JerryL

Well-Known Member
Good grief, I can't believe that some people think that if you read this stuff you'll become an evildoer with no morals whatsoever. Get a clue people! This stuff if fictional. I hope some of you here preaching that it's evil can learn the difference between what's real and FICTION.
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Manson's stories were fiction. Does that mean that he was not evil.

Machiovelli "The Prince" was fictional as well; as was the religion Hitler used to assert the superiority of the aryan race. No one is disputing the fictional nature of the books; what is being discussed is the moral underpinning of the children's books.
 
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