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where was the shia when al houssin was killed
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With respect,
Many people when they read the history they think that the political and religious map at the old times is the same as it's today.
Koufa was a Sunni city. The conquest of Koufa was during the King (Calif?!) Omar.
When Islam was hijacked after the killing of Prophet Muhammed (PEACE BE UPON HIM AND HIS PROGENY), the tyrannical rulers have distorted Islam. they spread the distorted Islam.
Ahlulbayt gradually spread the pure teaching of Islam through the Muslim world. Their followers (the word shia means followers) continued spreading this pure message of Islam after the occultation of Imam Mahdi (as).
hey ther dont be slike that it was an honnest question where were shia there
al housine is the imam so why did thy left him fithing e huge army alone
and another question
al housine didnt go to koufa to rule but to return mohamed sunna in rulling ,, ashura,,
to say that he die so he could rule is an offence to him and to his statue so why you say hi did
al housine is the imam so why did thy left him fithing e huge army alone
and another question
al housine didnt go to koufa to rule but to return mohamed sunna in rulling ,, ashura,,
to say that he die so he could rule is an offence to him and to his statue so why you say hi did
Hi,
Your other posts suggest that you may have anti-shia sentiment.
Anyhow. This is my reply.
After the death of the prophet (SAAW) there was a coalition between the hypocrites and the Tolaqaa (the defeated polytheists). They ruled for almost all the time period between the death of the prophet (SAAW) and the day of Ashura; the day in which imam hussain (a.s) was martyred. During this stage they prohibited the writing of the prophet's sayings (Hadith) and spread a distorted form of Islam. In addition, during the mentioned time period, which is around half a century, many nations converted to Islam, according to this distorted form of Islam. Furthermore, these brutal rulers have crushed and persecuted shia muslims everywhere. So there were no real shia force that can help imam Hussain.
After imam Hussain refuses to pay oath of allegiance to the tyrannical Umayyad ruler Yazid the first, Yazid ordered Imam Hussain to be killed or captured. At this same time, people of Koufa sent piles of letters to Imam Hussain (a.s.) asking him to join them and pledging to support him against the Ummayad dictatorship. So he went there, and he knew that he will be killed, but he went there to preserve the religion of his grandfather peace be upon them both.
pls when was that
after mohamed abu backre directly rule soo are you saying that abu backre and omar the hipocrites
the only diffrence between islam and judaisme and cristianity is the first folowers because thy believe in god and thy folow mohamed in any think
so are you r saying that omar and abu bacre are hypocrists ????
when mohamed love them ans he speak alot aboute them????????????,
and e veryyyyyy simple question if shia didnt existe before al housain how you know that youre on the right side more than who were there
after mohamed abu backre directly rule soo are you saying that abu backre and omar the hipocrites
the only diffrence between islam and judaisme and cristianity is the first folowers because thy believe in god and thy folow mohamed in any think
so are you r saying that omar and abu bacre are hypocrists ????
when mohamed love them ans he speak alot aboute them????????????,
and e veryyyyyy simple question if shia didnt existe before al housain how you know that youre on the right side more than who were there
Killers of Al Hussain are :
1- Ubaidullah Bin Ziyad, he was in Alis army in Siffeen battle, so he was a Shia.
His father also was made ruler of Al Basrah, by Ali raa.
2- Shamr Bin Dhi Al Jawshan, also in Alis army in Siffeen.
They are both in Shia source "Rijaal Al Shia" (Shia men).
3- Sinan Ibn Anas Al Nakh'i, his father was also a Shia in Alis army in Siffeen.
Many Shia scholars like Murtadha Al Mutahhiri and others confirm this. Even today theres plenty of Shia scholars on youtube saying the same.
Not only that, but later on the Shias formed what they called "Jaysh Al Tawabeen" (Army of repenters), repenting from what? from decieving Al Hussain raa, and his cousin Muslim Ibn Aqeel raa who had thousands with him who left him by the end of the day to be killed.
1- Ubaidullah Bin Ziyad, he was in Alis army in Siffeen battle, so he was a Shia.
His father also was made ruler of Al Basrah, by Ali raa.
2- Shamr Bin Dhi Al Jawshan, also in Alis army in Siffeen.
They are both in Shia source "Rijaal Al Shia" (Shia men).
3- Sinan Ibn Anas Al Nakh'i, his father was also a Shia in Alis army in Siffeen.
Many Shia scholars like Murtadha Al Mutahhiri and others confirm this. Even today theres plenty of Shia scholars on youtube saying the same.
Not only that, but later on the Shias formed what they called "Jaysh Al Tawabeen" (Army of repenters), repenting from what? from decieving Al Hussain raa, and his cousin Muslim Ibn Aqeel raa who had thousands with him who left him by the end of the day to be killed.
First and foremost I have to reiterate that we Shia differentiate between our brothers and sisters the Sunni Muslims, and the Nasibis. The Sunni Muslims represent the Sunni masses, the tolerant people, while the Nasibis are the enemies of AhlulBayt a.s. These Nasibis are the continuation of the polytheists who fought the prophet SAAW.
Many Salafists and Wahabis are Nasibis. Out of this group A Qaeda and the other terrorists were born.
You, who are naming yourself as Muslim are most likely a Nasibi. It's clear that you are not here to seek dialogue. You mentioned before that you don't consider Shias nor many Sunni groups as Muslims. Allah (if you really believe in him) will judge between us and you.
In you mission to defame Shia Muslims, try at least to minimise the lies, as there are very few Shia Muslims here to reply. Also, for me I have very little spare time that I normally can't afford to post more than one post a day.
I will reply to your misstatements only so that others may benefit from it. I have experience with Nasibis. They only claimed to be believers after the Imam Ali a.s. faced their forefathers in battles and defeated them.
This is my reply:
The Nasibis tried they best to vindicate Yazid from the killing of the infallible imam, Al Hussain peace be upon him.
This is because Accepting that Yazid has killed imam Hussin, means the end of the religion of the Nasibis. Why is it so?
This is because Yazid, his father Ma'awiyah, the head of their Ummayad family, whis is refered in Quran as the cursed tree, who is Othman, Omar and Abu Bakr are also one party (with respect to all Sunnis who I respect).
Who appointed has appointed Yazid? it was Ma'awiyah.
Who has appointed Ma'awiyah? It was Ommar.
Who has appointed Ommar? It was Abu Bakr.
As for your post. I must say that you need to read history.
You don't even know, or you pretended that you dont know that Ubaidullah Bin Ziyad, was Yazid's governor in Koufa.
You need to know that Although Sunnis in general have disbelieved in Imam Ali a.s as an infallible Imam who was appointed by Allah to succeed prophet Muhammad, they believe that as he was given oath allegiance as a Calif, he must be followed and Ma'awiyah must obey him. That's why they fought Ma'wiyah in the battle of Siffeen. However, since they dont believe in Ali a.s., they turned side and fought with Maywiyah in the battle of Nahrawan. And among those who fought against Ali a.s. in the battle of Nahrawan is Shamr Bin Dhi Al Jawshan.
So in summary the tragedy of Karbala has proven that Shia Islam is the true Islam; as it disproved any religious claims for the Ummayads and their party. This is because even Sunnis believe in the special position of Imam Hussain a.s. in Islam. And that's why the battle of Karbla has led to the shift of power within the Umayyad family to the Marwani branch, and then to the end of the Umayyad dynasty. Where, Muslims all over the Islamic Nation have revolted against the Umayyads, where there were Al Harrat tragedy, Al Tawabeen, the Zaydies and many others.
To have a full detail about those who killed imam Hussain a.s. read the following resource (in Arabic) :
Who are the killers of imam Hussain (من هم قتلة الإمام الحسين عليه السلام
By Ayatollah Milani
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First and foremost I have to reiterate that we Shia differentiate between our brothers and sisters the Sunni Muslims, and the Nasibis. The Sunni Muslims represent the Sunni masses, the tolerant people, while the Nasibis are the enemies of AhlulBayt a.s. These Nasibis are the continuation of the polytheists who fought the prophet SAAW.
Many Salafists and Wahabis are Nasibis. Out of this group A Qaeda and the other terrorists were born.
You, who are naming yourself as Muslim are most likely a Nasibi. It's clear that you are not here to seek dialogue. You mentioned before that you don't consider Shias nor many Sunni groups as Muslims. Allah (if you really believe in him) will judge between us and you.
In you mission to defame Shia Muslims, try at least to minimise the lies, as there are very few Shia Muslims here to reply. Also, for me I have very little spare time that I normally can't afford to post more than one post a day.
I will reply to your misstatements only so that others may benefit from it. I have experience with Nasibis. They only claimed to be believers after the Imam Ali a.s. faced their forefathers in battles and defeated them.
This is my reply:
The Nasibis tried they best to vindicate Yazid from the killing of the infallible imam, Al Hussain peace be upon him.
This is because Accepting that Yazid has killed imam Hussin, means the end of the religion of the Nasibis. Why is it so?
This is because Yazid, his father Ma'awiyah, the head of their Ummayad family, whis is refered in Quran as the cursed tree, who is Othman, Omar and Abu Bakr are also one party (with respect to all Sunnis who I respect).
Who appointed has appointed Yazid? it was Ma'awiyah.
Who has appointed Ma'awiyah? It was Ommar.
Who has appointed Ommar? It was Abu Bakr.
As for your post. I must say that you need to read history.
You don't even know, or you pretended that you don’t know that Ubaidullah Bin Ziyad, was Yazid's governor in Koufa.
You need to know that Although Sunnis in general have disbelieved in Imam Ali a.s as an infallible Imam who was appointed by Allah to succeed prophet Muhammad, they believe that as he was given oath allegiance as a Calif, he must be followed and Ma'awiyah must obey him. That's why they fought Ma'wiyah in the battle of Siffeen. However, since they don’t believe in Ali a.s., they turned side and fought with Maywiyah in the battle of Nahrawan. And among those who fought against Ali a.s. in the battle of Nahrawan is Shamr Bin Dhi Al Jawshan.
So in summary the tragedy of Karbala has proven that Shia Islam is the true Islam; as it disproved any religious claims for the Ummayads and their party. This is because even Sunnis believe in the special position of Imam Hussain a.s. in Islam. And that's why the battle of Karbla has led to the shift of power within the Umayyad family to the Marwani branch, and then to the end of the Umayyad dynasty. Where, Muslims all over the Islamic Nation have revolted against the Umayyads, where there were Al Harrat tragedy, Al Tawabeen, the Zaydies and many others.
To have a full detail about those who killed imam Hussain a.s. read the following resource (in Arabic) :
Who are the killers of imam Hussain (من هم قتلة الإمام الحسين عليه السلام
By Ayatollah Milani
??? ??????? ?????? »??????? »???? ??????? ?????????
Heres some your scholars ( in addition to Muraza Al Mutahhiri and many others) saying 90% of the killers of Hussain were Shia. They lied to him and invited him and directly participated in his killing.
[youtube]6zWx6lID2MQ[/youtube]
Who killed Al-Hussein? - YouTube
Also, the way you talk about "Nasibis" proves the Shia in the original video correct when he said "Anyone who disagrees with Shias is a Nasibi to them"
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1 of all i dont wont to to became e huga fight pls
2 aboute ali we love him and he did e greate thinks for muslims and islam he gave his life to mohamed but thise is islam and mohamed and the other profets where unfailable but ali is an imam with all repect to him it could be rigth or wrong
thise is why we work with ijjma3 where all the imams agree on including onje think
3 you dont belive that just the imam ali is anfailable but all of youre imams are
thise is r huuugre probleme
imagine that an imam use it in wong for polotical like the problems like in iraq
i saw those bombing againste the sunna region it s shame and very very wrong
4 who kiil al hussain were from shia the gouverneur of koufa order them to go and th fight ahl al bayt
but we are allll brothers i just wont to arrive to the truth and keep that in your mind shia and sunna we r brothers by god
2 aboute ali we love him and he did e greate thinks for muslims and islam he gave his life to mohamed but thise is islam and mohamed and the other profets where unfailable but ali is an imam with all repect to him it could be rigth or wrong
thise is why we work with ijjma3 where all the imams agree on including onje think
3 you dont belive that just the imam ali is anfailable but all of youre imams are
thise is r huuugre probleme
imagine that an imam use it in wong for polotical like the problems like in iraq
i saw those bombing againste the sunna region it s shame and very very wrong
4 who kiil al hussain were from shia the gouverneur of koufa order them to go and th fight ahl al bayt
but we are allll brothers i just wont to arrive to the truth and keep that in your mind shia and sunna we r brothers by god
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Manahel.Fatima
Member
Great informative.
ConfusedKuri
Active Member
First of all one should mention that the word "Shia" means someone who is a follower or a party.
There were two types of Shiites who were present at Kufa. One party supported Imam Hussein(AS), for they hated Yazeed, they did not consider Imam Hussein(AS) to be the righteous successor, they had no love for him and would have supported any other person who had been willing to fight against Yazeed. Ibn Ziad made sure to pay these people so they would abandon their support for Imam Hussein(AS).
Then there was the real Shia of Kufa, those who loved Imam Hussein(AS) and believed him to be the 3rd of 12 Imams. The first thing Ibn Ziad did when he became governor of Kufa was to execute or imprison them, two of the most famous of them were Meythem al-Tammar and Mukhtar al-Thaqafi. Mukhtar was imprisoned and later avenged the death of his master and Meythem al-Tammar was crucified on a tree for his love of Imam Ali(AS).
By the time Muslim bin Aqeel arrived in Kufa, there was nobody left who'd support a war against Yazeed and he was executed by Ibn Ziad without having a chance of warning Imam Hussein(AS) to not come to Kufa.
There were two types of Shiites who were present at Kufa. One party supported Imam Hussein(AS), for they hated Yazeed, they did not consider Imam Hussein(AS) to be the righteous successor, they had no love for him and would have supported any other person who had been willing to fight against Yazeed. Ibn Ziad made sure to pay these people so they would abandon their support for Imam Hussein(AS).
Then there was the real Shia of Kufa, those who loved Imam Hussein(AS) and believed him to be the 3rd of 12 Imams. The first thing Ibn Ziad did when he became governor of Kufa was to execute or imprison them, two of the most famous of them were Meythem al-Tammar and Mukhtar al-Thaqafi. Mukhtar was imprisoned and later avenged the death of his master and Meythem al-Tammar was crucified on a tree for his love of Imam Ali(AS).
By the time Muslim bin Aqeel arrived in Kufa, there was nobody left who'd support a war against Yazeed and he was executed by Ibn Ziad without having a chance of warning Imam Hussein(AS) to not come to Kufa.