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How can you PROVE the bible is the 'word of god" or divine inspired?

Walkntune

Walkntune

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waitasec said:
really...
so when you buy a car or a house you just buy it without finding out what your committing yourself too
how about choosing a partner...their history doesn't mean anything
what about a spouse...just pick the 1st that says yes to your proposal

be real.
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I live like a gypsy. I have an american made fender telecaster and a dream!
I don't care about a girls past. I care about her heart and who she is now.Love forgives a multitude of sins.Its where we are going that is important to me.
 
waitasec

waitasec

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Father Heathen said:
The fact that a book may have elements of truth in it doesn't prove the whole thing. Let's say I wrote a book that said I was lord of the universe who should be worshiped and obeyed, and also that vegetables are healthy. Does the fact that vegetables are indeed healthy prove that I am also the lord of the universe?
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all hail father heathen
;)
 
waitasec

waitasec

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Walkntune said:
I live like a gypsy. I have an american made fender telecaster and a dream!
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ok how did you know that your tele was the right guit?


I don't care about a girls past. I care about her heart and who she is now.Love forgives a multitude of sins.Its where we are going that is important to me.
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you're in for a ride....
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
savethedreams said:
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How do you know this.. This is the basis of my confusion, because I don't trust human beings always tell the truth especailly in the past and especially if money power, or respect is in play. AND if you wrote the book of the bible who wouldn't resepct you????

HOW CAN YOU PROVE "GOD DOES REVEAL HIMSELF PERSONALLY" before the bible was written?



The vedas and quran have the same statement in them. How can you say those are wrong?
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The books of revelation was written around 100AD or even if you believe it was written 30AD or 10 AD or 1 AD doesn't matter. The question is....

From YOUR perspective how would you know a revelatoin is from God before the book of revelatoin was written? Lets say Your in aborgine in Austrilla in 2011BC, How would you know. Let's say your a jew in 50AD , how would you know revelatoin is not written yet.
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Actually, many of the prophets and writers of the scriptures had very hard, lonely lives with a lot of persecution and sometimes violent deaths rather than respect or monetary gain.


I believe God has given everyone a conscience and the Holy Spirit works to draw each person to God whatever their circumstances, time in history, or culture. I do not have all the answers concerning how God works in each person’s life, but I do trust the goodness and love of God. I do not doubt that anyone who sincerely seeks to know the true God is given the opportunity to know Him and I believe this is the case for those who lived before the Bible was written.


I cannot prove to you that God reveals Himself personally. You can sincerely ask Him to prove that to you, if you like All I can say is that Jesus has revealed Himself to me, you are free to believe it or not, but I have reason to lie.
 
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InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
waitasec said:
and god with his vast knowledge wouldn't take that into consideration ...please.



it's pretty much your word against theirs
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Yes, God with His vast knowledge knew that humans would come up with various interpretations but I believe His desire is that each person would continually seek Him for wisdom concerning the scriptures and in doing so grow in understanding. My view is that people get off into strange teachings and doctrines because they prefer to elevate their own preferences and ideas rather than submit completely to the Lord and the scriptures. Jesus said, “You will know them by their fruit.” The evidence of one’s life will demonstrate whether or not they are interpreting and/or living according to God’s word for Christ or self.



I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:1-6
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
Yes, God with His vast knowledge knew that humans would come up with various interpretations but I believe His desire is that each person would continually seek Him for wisdom concerning the scriptures and in doing so grow in understanding.
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what's the point if no one can tell the difference between a believer and a non believer. in other words what sets a believer a part from a non believer....


nothing really.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
no-body said:
Provided you don't want to cram your "truths" down societies throat that is just fine with me.
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I'm not interested in cramming anything down your throat.



Even if you could prove the gospels where not tampered with and the gospel writers really where the apostles who eye-witnessed and believed every single thing about Jesus it would prove nothing. People will lie to themselves, especially when they come from a superstitious culture and have a large existential fear of death.
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Why is it that people of today seem to think they are so superior to those of the past and our culture is so much better?
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

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waitasec;2667143]ok how did you know that your tele was the right guit?
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It was love at first sight!
I am not saying I don't live by assumptions of things that are evident.

As far as a car I have been blessed with the last three that I have owned as they were given to me.
Many times my needs are met mysteriously and at the last moment it seems.
Also when the mind is not clouded with different wants it is much easier to see the blessings in front of me.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
waitasec said:
so you would rather live in a superstitious culture?
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I'd say there is also a lot of ignorance and superstition today in our culture, as the scriptures indicate there is nothing new under the sun when it comes to human nature and behavior.
 
waitasec

waitasec

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Walkntune said:
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It was love at first sight!
I am not saying I don't live by assumptions of things that are evident.
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so you picked a tele because of the way it looked...
not what is made for...the action the feel, the weight the balance tonality pickups all those things did not play a part of you deciding why you picked that guitar...interesting.

As far as a car I have been blessed with the last three that I have owned as they were given to me.
Many times my needs are met mysteriously and at the last moment it seem.
Also when the mind is not clouded with different wants it is much easier to see the blessings in front of me.
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well those types of things happen to me too...
go figure.
:shrug:
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

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=waitasec;2667170]so you picked a tele because of the way it looked...
not what is made for...the action the feel, the weight the balance tonality pickups all those things did not play a part of you deciding why you picked that guitar...interesting.
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No I played it and tried it out.The same as I did with my experiences with God.I had to trust Him and try Him out and see if I followed the truth of the Word how it would impact my life. I had to taste and see that the Lord is good.
Spent ten years in hell with anxiety disorder and docs saying it was a chemical imbalance and I would be on meds the rest of my life.
God took it away mostly in a matter of a few minutes but it took me a couple of more days as i tried to hold on to it.
 
waitasec

waitasec

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Walkntune said:
No I played it and tried it out.The same as I did with my experiences with God.I had to trust Him and try Him out and see if I followed the truth of the Word how it would impact my life. I had to taste and see that the Lord is good.
Spent ten years in hell with anxiety disorder and docs saying it was a chemical imbalance and I would be on meds the rest of my life.
God took it away mostly in a matter of a few minutes but it took me a couple of more days as i tried to hold on to it.
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i'm sorry but i'm having a hard time believing that...

unless you are willing to say that you are more special to god than my friends son who died at the age of 3 from a brain tumor.
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

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waitasec said:
i'm sorry but i'm having a hard time believing that...

unless you are willing to say that you are more special to god than my friends son who died at the age of 3 from a brain tumor.
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I can only speak for myself. There were times when I would of been jealous of someone getting to leave here so young.When I was three I remember running to my mother so she could wash the blood off my face and tell me not to cry so my dad would quit beating me.I wanted to die.I spent many nights sitting on the edge of my bed at night afraid of making a sound so my dad would not come in and hit me.God kept me around and I have written powerful songs that minister to those who have been through abuse. I have reached many drug addicts and those in rehabs and shelters and even on mission trips in other countries.
I have seen and tasted first hand what the love of God can do.
I have seen revelational knowledge work, I have had many give words of knowledge to me who did not even know me but knew things that were going on with me that come to pass. The Spirit has bore witness of Himself enough to me that I trust and believe .
I guess when you become free then it no longer matters to you if someone else believes.Its like you have discovered this water hole and you can go get a drink anytime you like . There is plenty for everyone and you share it because it is so awesome.You don't care if they tell you it doesn't exist because you already know you are drinking from it.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
I have seen and tasted first hand what the love of God can do.
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I personally think it was the religion that helped you, a positive influence [religion] in a world of negative is a wonderful thing. Divinity did not have to be mixed up in all that and I find it a percieved side affect of wishful thinking.

No one said theology isnt a great thing to shine a light at the end of a tunnel.
 
waitasec

waitasec

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Walkntune said:
I can only speak for myself. There were times when I would of been jealous of someone getting to leave here so young.When I was three I remember running to my mother so she could wash the blood off my face and tell me not to cry so my dad would quit beating me.I wanted to die.I spent many nights sitting on the edge of my bed at night afraid of making a sound so my dad would not come in and hit me.God kept me around and I have written powerful songs that minister to those who have been through abuse. I have reached many drug addicts and those in rehabs and shelters and even on mission trips in other countries.
I have seen and tasted first hand what the love of God can do.
I have seen revelational knowledge work, I have had many give words of knowledge to me who did not even know me but knew things that were going on with me that come to pass. The Spirit has bore witness of Himself enough to me that I trust and believe .
I guess when you become free then it no longer matters to you if someone else believes.Its like you have discovered this water hole and you can go get a drink anytime you like . There is plenty for everyone and you share it because it is so awesome.You don't care if they tell you it doesn't exist because you already know you are drinking from it.
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are you implying people who have been abused when they were kids and have been able to overcome their problems without any type of faith in jesus are mistaken somehow? and that people who over come addiction are only kidding themselves because jesus didn't do it for them...really?

bottom line is, no one is in the center of the universe
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

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waitasec said:
are you implying people who have been abused when they were kids and have been able to overcome their problems without any type of faith in jesus are mistaken somehow? and that people who over come addiction are only kidding themselves because jesus didn't do it for them...really?

bottom line is, no one is in the center of the universe
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I guess if I had to imply anything, I would say that my heart really goes out to those who don't get to find that sense of true release until right before their death. To those who spend more energy in resistance to that of the universe than in harmony.
 
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