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Hahaha. Sometimes I am so embarrassed to be a Christian. Laughing helps.
On a side note, I do find it quite interesting how people so easily ignore the vast bulk of what Paul says, and instead, focus on a minority position, when not actually understanding what Paul is saying in the first place.
If one just takes the time to read Paul, they can see a number of women being praised as being quality leaders.
I thought the same thing - some people know how to make a whole group look embarrassing.
Hahaha. Sometimes I am so embarrassed to be a Christian. Laughing helps.
On a side note, I do find it quite interesting how people so easily ignore the vast bulk of what Paul says, and instead, focus on a minority position, when not actually understanding what Paul is saying in the first place.
If one just takes the time to read Paul, they can see a number of women being praised as being quality leaders.
study, study, study
Romans 16:1, 16:3, and 16:7.
1 Corinthians 1:11, 16:3
All of those verses show that Paul supported women leadership, and held women leaders in high regards.
Personally, I don't think he ever actual condemned women leadership though.
1 Tim 2:11
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection .
KJV
Hosea 14:7-8 Return, O Israel, to the Lord your God, for you have stumbled in your iniquity. ב. Take words with yourselves and return to the Lord. Say, "You shall forgive all iniquity and teach us [the] good [way], and let us render [for] bulls [the offering of] our lips.
I realize that the KJV will render these verses differently but this is the Jewish text we are talking about and I prefer to use a Jewish edition when talking about Jewish scripture
Romans 16:1, 16:3, and 16:7.
1 Corinthians 1:11, 16:3
All of those verses show that Paul supported women leadership, and held women leaders in high regards.
Personally, I don't think he ever actual condemned women leadership though.
Like I said
cleaning the toilets
in no way did these preach on a pulpit
The command (or law) is that a wife teach the children
try again
what did Paul say
I Timothy 1:2: Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
I Timothy 1:3: As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
I Timothy 1:4: Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
I Timothy 1:5: Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
I Timothy 1:6: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
I Timothy 1:7: Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
I Timothy 1:8: But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
what did Paul say
I Timothy 1:2: Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
I Timothy 1:3: As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
I Timothy 1:4: Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
I Timothy 1:5: Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
I Timothy 1:6: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
I Timothy 1:7: Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
I Timothy 1:8: But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
Nope. Paul didn't say any of that.