Religion and war

I heard today, on the radio, that many people believed that religion solves war...

...And I would like to disprove this statement, and not only dis-prove it and also state that religion has ruined the human race by creating racism, and as by holding back technology.

War: "A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties."
Look at all of the major wars in history...WW2 started by Hitler, for religious reasons. Etc.

War is usually against different religions, although it is sometimes for money..

Racism, If people didnt have religion there would be no racism.. The main reason people are racist is the they are getiing invaded "yeah those immigrants been comin over here and took ma job" If the religious wars in their own country hadn't drove them out then they wouldn't have come over and then there would be no reason to hate them..

If we had not have had all of the problems of religion, we would have then been more advanced than we are, If we didnt war as much then we would be better at technologic advancements, Eg: At the end of the second world war, America took many of the German scientists who created the V2 rocket(which was created in only a few years) and Russia tookt he rest of them, If they had been put together, then we would have been in space alot more..

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I understand some of your points but I think saying that all war is created by religion and all racism develops from religion is really pushing it. People use religion to sell war, to gain support for war, etc, but many of these wars would have occured at some point without religious involvment. I don't really think religion was a cause behind WW2, hitler hated the jewish people, regardless of whether they actually practiced judaism. He did seem to have a hatred towards most relgion general, but he hated a lot of things, without religion he still would have hated a lot of things.

I think the same goes for a lot of racism. Religion may be used to put 'proof' behind these falacies, but regardless of why people say they hate another race, they still hate those people. I am not saying there is no truth to what murf has said, but this relates to the inaccurate corillation that is often made between two parallel events. Just because two events have a relationship (such as 'as one event occurs more often so does the other') doesn't mean that one caused the other, merely that they are related.

look war is business pure and simple. the people who engage in war seem to like to involve religon into it to justify the senseless slaughter. i don't think religion can end wars either because when people are ingaged in war, they always seem to forget all of the things that mom, dad, and the religious leaders taught them in the first place.

Stalinism or Maoism is hardly "religious" in nature. But I wouldn't attach that to an atheistic world view. Both theist and non-theist can be evil. That's the truth and if we attach the actions of either side to our world views then no one is right and no one is wrong. We get no where with that non-sense. Instead cultivate, discuss, clarify, what can work with real people. I would obviously contend that my world view can do just that, but that's getting off topic.

~Victor

almifkhar said:

look war is business pure and simple. the people who engage in war seem to like to involve religon into it to justify the senseless slaughter. i don't think religion can end wars either because when people are engaged in war, they always seem to forget all of the things that mom, dad, and the religious leaders taught them in the first place.

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Fairly blunt, but excellent point. Religion is very often used as propaganda to get the populace behind a leaders quest for 'things'.

Murf661 said:

Look at all of the major wars in history...WW2 started by Hitler, for religious reasons. Etc.

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wow! that's amazing...amazingly unsubstantiated
can you prove that World War 2 was started "for religious reasons"?

Murf661 said:

Racism, If people didnt have religion there would be no racism.. The main reason people are racist is the they are getiing invaded "yeah those immigrants been comin over here and took ma job" If the religious wars in their own country hadn't drove them out then they wouldn't have come over and then there would be no reason to hate them..

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what part of the present arguement on illegal immigrants in the US has anything to do w/ "religious wars"??!? Can you show the religious wars going on in mexico right now causing illegal immigration to the US??

Murf661 said:

If we had not have had all of the problems of religion, we would have then been more advanced than we are, If we didnt war as much then we would be better at technologic advancements, Eg: At the end of the second world war, America took many of the German scientists who created the V2 rocket(which was created in only a few years) and Russia tookt he rest of them, If they had been put together, then we would have been in space alot more..

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this statement makes absolutley no sense. How on earth does the space race and the cold war have to do w/ "the problems of religion"?

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my reason: the examples given have little if nothing to do w/ religion and you have provided no evidence to prove otherwise or to support this arguement

Murf661 said:

I heard today, on the radio, that many people believed that religion solves war...

...And I would like to disprove this statement, and not only dis-prove it and also state that religion has ruined the human race by creating racism, and as by holding back technology.

War: "A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties."
Look at all of the major wars in history...WW2 started by Hitler, for religious reasons. Etc.

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War is usually against different religions, although it is sometimes for money..

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That might have been correct historically, but I do not personally believe that it is the case now.

Racism, If people didnt have religion there would be no racism.. The main reason people are racist is the they are getiing invaded "yeah those immigrants been comin over here and took ma job" If the religious wars in their own country hadn't drove them out then they wouldn't have come over and then there would be no reason to hate them..

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I think that actually works completely the opposite way around. Most immigrants we see in Europe are financially motivated migrants, and also those escaping from tyrant dictatorships - those are least likely to believe in any religion.

If we had not have had all of the problems of religion, we would have then been more advanced than we are, If we didnt war as much then we would be better at technologic advancements, Eg: At the end of the second world war, America took many of the German scientists who created the V2 rocket(which was created in only a few years) and Russia tookt he rest of them, If they had been put together, then we would have been in space alot more..

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There again, I think you are totally wrong. It may be a very sad truism, but nevertheless, historically, the greatest advancements in technology, in medicine have been made because of war; or at least the strat of that progress began as a result of wartime research.

One example that springs to mind immediately is that of plastic surgery; I think I am right in saying that plastic surgery was accelerated by severely burned victims during WWII.

Murf661 said:

War is usually against different religions, although it is sometimes for money..

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If religion causes religious wars, then guns cause gun violence, and cars cause car crashes...

Murf661 said:

Racism, If people didnt have religion there would be no racism.. The main reason people are racist is the they are getiing invaded "yeah those immigrants been comin over here and took ma job" If the religious wars in their own country hadn't drove them out then they wouldn't have come over and then there would be no reason to hate them..

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Racism is caused by prejudice, which is a leftover feature of our Darwinian survival skills.

Murf661 said:

If we had not have had all of the problems of religion, we would have then been more advanced than we are, If we didnt war as much then we would be better at technologic advancements, Eg: At the end of the second world war, America took many of the German scientists who created the V2 rocket(which was created in only a few years) and Russia tookt he rest of them, If they had been put together, then we would have been in space alot more..

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My religion embraces technology, and encourages the advancement of Science.

The second world war was not started for religious reasons. Read your History.
It was started because Hitler wanted more territory for Germany. First to regain lands lost during the First WW and secondly to gain land especially in the East.
The Jewish situation was ongoing, and none of the allies Joined the war because of it.
Unfortunate but True.

Terry__________________________-
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.