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Allah is not God (Islams)

Zephyr

Moved on
I'll admit that I don't know a ton about Islam, but here's what I do know:

Muslims worship the same god as the Jews and the Father of the Christian Trinity.
Allah, which is a contraction of al-ilah, means The God. You got that one right.
Al Qaeda are just a bunch of ******** twisting Islam to use it as a tool for political gain.

I have to go practice my bass for a bit, then I'll add more. Where are you getting this information from anyways? I hate all those Islam(or jewish, or christian, or anything else)-only websites just as much as anyone else, but at least state some sources for the OP.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Malus 12:9 said:
No, they don't.
No, they do not accept Jesus as being God. They say Jesus will come back to judge the quick and the dead on Judgement Day.

However, Muhammed cautions that one must not make partners with God, or divide or multiply God.
"9:30 The Jews say, "Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God"; and the Christians say,
"The Messiah is a son of God." Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble
the saying of the Infidels of old! God do battle with them! How are they
misguided!
They take their teachers, and their monks, and the Messiah, son of Mary,
for Lords beside God, though bidden to worship one God only. There is no God
but He! Far from His glory be what they associated with Him!"
(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 9 - Immunity)
I used the Rodwell translation for accuracy.

"22 He is Allah, than Whom there is no other God, the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible. He is the Beneficent, Merciful.
23 He is Allah, than Whom there is no other God, the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One, Peace, the Keeper of Faith, the Guardian, the Majestic, the Compeller, the Superb. Glorified be Allah from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him).
24 He is Allah, the Creator, the Shaper out of naught, the Fashioner. His are the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifieth Him, and He is the Mighty, the Wise."
This is Pickthall, Surah 59

Thisis a denial that Muhammed is God either,
"IN the name of the merciful and compassionate God. Blessed be He who sent down the Discrimination to His servant that he might be unto the world a warner; whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and who has not taken to Himself a son, and who has no partner in His kingdom, and created everything, and then decreed it determinately!"
(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 25 - The Discrimination, opening words)

One CAN be a Christian and not accept the Trinity, you know. When it comes down to cold-hard facts, the concept of the Trinity as expressed in the Nicaean Creed is not Biblical in origin.

Regards,
Scott
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Fat Kat Matt said:
jeez jensa, why dont you get off your butt and do it yourself? lol
Because I'm not the one making unsubstantiated claims? I don't expect you to back up my claims.

Malus said:
Jensa read my posts if you are going to attempt to criticize them.
From what I can tell in your posts, those verses refer to Mohammed... not God. Unless you mean that God killed those people, which wouldn't surprise me, as many Abrahamic religions seem to have a God that's kill-happy.

I'm asking for a source that says God is what you said him to be, on both counts.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Jensa said:
Can you provide verses for each of these qualities? I'm especially interested in a source for this one: Since if Muslims (you need to get your nouns right, by the way... Islam is the religion, Muslims are followers of Islam) said the Bible was the true word of God, then they'd also accept that Jesus was God or at least divine and supposed to be worshipped.
The Qur'an says that Jesus is an Apostle of God, a Messenger and Warner, and the Gospels (Injeel) are part of the "BOOK" of God's word. Muhammed says He is also an Apostle of God, a Messenger and Warner, as was Moses, Abraham, Noah, Salih, Hud and Jesus.

Muhammed says God has no progeny since God is not corporeal like man. Muhammed says Jesus was born of the virgin Mary by the WILL of God, but there was no "seed" involved. God wills things to BE and those things ARE, by power of the decree.

Regards,
Scott
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Malus 12:9 said:
Where was I being so?
You were saying that people are denied the right to pray to God simply because they speak Arabic. That is curmudgeonly in my book.

Regards,
Scott
 

desiboy

Member
"and from those who say we are christians, we took a covenant, but they too have forgotten a good part of that which they were exhorted. so we have caused enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection. And Allah will soon let them know what they have been doing."
(chap. 5, verse 15)

should recoginze he words "we took a covenant" and "that which they were exhorted". means that at one point, the bible was an exhortation from God. Thus, we respect the bible as such that it was ONCE a book of god, which has now mostly been changed.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Malus 12:9 said:
No, you are making no claims. Odd how you are trying to defend a religion which detests lesbianiism.
Yea, you're right. I'm not making claims. I'm asking for you to back up yours. Which you still haven't done.

Why do you find it odd that I'd defend something I'd disagree with?

And thank you for providing information for us, Popeyesays.
 

Malus 12:9

Temporarily Deactive.
I'm asking for you to back up yours. Which you still haven't done..
Read post: #24. My claims are records from Quaran. Go play elsewhere, instead of trying to act all smart. Keep your personal disagreements with me away from this debate.
 

desiboy

Member
what exactly is this argument going on about anyways? maybe instead of bickering, enlighten the rest of us on this private debate that seems to be going on.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Calm down, I'm just saying that the verses you provided didn't explain that, from what I could see. If there's something I overlooked, please point it out. I also haven't seen any Bible verses. I may be overlooking stuff, and if I am I apologize. I'm zonked today.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
This post begs for more information. Anybody else willing to talk about this?????
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Pre-Islamic Arabia's religion was one of superstition. Belief in jinns (genies), curse casting, magic stones, totems was the norm - and it was against this background that Allah arose. Evidence of these very sorts of cultural influence is found in such places as Suras 55, 72, 113 and 114.
And the Bible talks about witches and has cultural influence, too.
I fail to see how this makes it any less significant.



Also- Islam put down a lot of the pagan customs, like the burying of female infants for one. One of my favourite verses is about the female child crying out about what sin she had commited and how this was bad and it will be stopped. I really can´t quite remember all of it or it´s verse number- my Quran is in a different country as me, currently. (Along with my English bible >:{! Drives me crazy I can´t read them.)

"Allah" is from the compound Arabic word "al-ilah" or in english "the god." This word has been found in pre-islamic writings and other archeological finds. At the Kabah in Mecca 360 gods were worshipped, but it was built especially for the chief deity - the moon god. Allah was the personal title of the moon god. Allah was married to the sun goddess. They produced three daughters, whose worship Muhammad would later make the mistake of condoning. The crescent moon symbol of Arabia came from this god.
Again- some of Christianity is based on older religions and myths- but I don´t see you going on a crusade against them. And that Moon God thing is a bunch of bull.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html


Now, because the Quran accepts the Bible as the word of God, it is quite proper that it should adhere to its teachings. The Bible clearly states that prophets must follow the same God as the One revealed by the earliest prophets and not lead people to other, false, gods (Deuteronomy 13:1-5)**. Therefore, we must take very seriously the fact that Muhammad did not teach the God of the Bible.
Except that, he did teach the God of the Bible- have you ever noticed how much alike the Bible and Quran are?






Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same G-d, just in different ways and by different names.
 
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