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Atheism makes no sense. You cannot get something from nothing without a God.

lunakilo

lunakilo

Well-Known Member
IsmailaGodHasHeard said:
All atheists believe in evolution, because there is no God or gods according to them.
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Not true.

It is true that atheists don't believe in god(s).

But evolition has nothing to do with whether or not god(s) exist.
god(s) could exists and evolution be true.
It is also possible that no god(s) exist and evolition is wrong.
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
IsmailaGodHasHeard said:
Seriously. Something cannot come from nothing without a God. Evolution is a myth.
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I'm sure it was pointed out to you in this thread.
But evolution says nothing about God. or the origin of life for that matter.
Evolution deals for the most part with how life changed AFTER its origin.
 
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Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
lunakilo said:
But evolition has nothing to do with whether or not god(s) exist.
god(s) could exists and evolution be true.
It is also possible that no god(s) exist and evolition is wrong.
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That is correct. There are some atheists who do not believe in evolution.

Raëlians are an atheistic, UFO-based cult. They deny evolution almost as passionately as they deny the existence of God and gods.
 
cablescavenger

cablescavenger

Well-Known Member
IsmailaGodHasHeard said:
All atheists believe in evolution, because there is no God or gods according to them.
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Evolution is a fact, and once seen very difficult to dismiss.

People who dismiss evolution have chosen not to listen to the facts, or been persuaded that the facts are lies.

You will find that the belief in evolution transcends scientists and atheists, and that the majority of the worlds top Bishops, cardinals, and even Pope John Paul II, Raztinger mostly believes in it too.

But then these are educated people, which is how they rose to the positions they have achieved in life, and it would be difficult to rise to such a position without being open to the world around you.
 
Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
Straw Dog said:
The Tao is also eternal and self-existent.

"The Tao is like a well:
used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void:
filled with infinite possibilities.

It is hidden but always present.
I don't know who gave birth to it.
It is older than God."

-chapter 4 Tao Te Ching (NEV)
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Slightly off topic, but if you can get me that in Chinese, I'd be über grateful. I'd like to check out what term it uses for God. If it uses 'shen', 'shangdi', or something else. :)
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Walkntune said:
:biglaugh:
:biglaugh:Only embracing one side is where reality becomes an illusion as you allow the right and left to separate.Reality can only be seen in harmony when the left and right brain function in harmony.With this I will leave with another quote!



"Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind"

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."Albert Einstein
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The left-brain right-brain concept is mainly pseudoscience anyway.
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I'm curious about this "nothing".... I've never heard any scientist say that "something came from nothing". Even the "Big Bang" came from something.

It seems like some people just love to attack ideas they don't like based on misinformation rather than trying to understand them.

wa:do
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
Gjallarhorn said:
The left-brain right-brain concept is mainly pseudoscience anyway.
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Thats about the same as assuming there is no debate between religion and science on this forum.
Pseudoscience is just a left brain concept to cover up that which it can't comprehend intuitively.Physcological effect is another good one.They even understood this concept over two thousand years ago.

KJV Ecclesiastes 10:2
2. A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.
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Genesis 48:18
And Joseph said to his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put your right hand upon his head.

KJV Exodus 15:6​
  • Your right hand, O Lord, is glorious in power: your right hand, O Lord, has dashed in pieces the enemy. ​

KJV 1 Kings 6:8
8. The door for the middle chamber was in the right side of the house: and they went up with winding stairs into the middle chamber, and out of the middle into the third.

KJV Psalms 16:11
9. You will show me the path of life: in your presence is fullness of joy; at your right hand there are pleasures for evermore.

KJV Psalms 17:7​
  • Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them. ​

KJV Psalms 63:8
8. My soul ffollows hard after you: your right hand holds me up.

KJV Psalms 73:23 Nevertheless I am continually with you: you have held me by my right hand.

KJV Isaiah 41:12-13 For I the Lord your God will hold your right hand, saying to you , Fear not; I will help you.

KJV Ezekiel 10:3
3. Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.

KJV Matthew 25:33
33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

KJV Matthew 26:64
64. Jesus said to him, Hereafter shall you see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

KJV John 21:6
6. And he said to them, Throw the net on the right side of the ship, and you shall find.

KJV Revelation 5:1
1. And I saw in theright hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

KJV Revelation 13:16
16. And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in theirright hand, or in their foreheads:​
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T-Dawg

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
Walkntune said:
:biglaugh:
:biglaugh:Only embracing one side is where reality becomes an illusion as you allow the right and left to separate.Reality can only be seen in harmony when the left and right brain function in harmony.With this I will leave with another quote!



"Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind"

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."Albert Einstein
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********. Right brain thinking is an impediment to human progress. There is no purpose for religion in scientific matters, as religion primarily by definition deals with faith - if there was a religion that scorned faith, why call it religion?

Your appeals to authority irritate me. I am not going to rely on Einstein, a physicist, as an authority on spiritual matters, especially since there are so many conflicting misquotes on his views.

Gjallarhorn said:
The left-brain right-brain concept is mainly pseudoscience anyway.
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Possibly, but it's still a decent metaphor.
 
Photonic

Photonic

Ad astra!
Walkntune said:
I thought i said they were both.:rolleyes:
This is how they see beyond the illusion into the realm of intuition!You want examples.
Well we know Newton was a Christian and Einstein a somewhat pantheist who still understood the creative force in the universe we call God.
Same with Tesla.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...sense-you-cannot-post2633954.html#post2633954
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Einstein was something called a Scientific Pantheist, which isn't really pantheism in the sense you understand it.
 
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