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Non-Wiccan magic for beginners

Antibush5

Active Member
I've recently been struck by a curiosity in magic, but I'm not exactly a fan of magik, could you recommend some for lack of a better word schools? Where could I start off?
 

Sylvan

Unrepentant goofer duster
Start off by telling me what you think the difference is between magic and "magik" and what about magick, eh? Its a pretty extensive subject and the best way to have a conversation about it is to clearly represent where you're coming from so we can speak to your experiences. What about "Wiccan" magic(K?) is it that you don't like?
 

Antibush5

Active Member
Start off by telling me what you think the difference is between magic and "magik" and what about magick, eh? Its a pretty extensive subject and the best way to have a conversation about it is to clearly represent where you're coming from so we can speak to your experiences. What about "Wiccan" magic(K?) is it that you don't like?
I looked it up, I think it was meant to be magick, yet I'm just not a fan of Wiccan theology and I tend to want to stay away from the things that they teach, since I think it might trickle down. What I dislike about it, is more of a personal issue then I would like to get into. Magic is pretty much the non-wiccan variety, Chaos magic and things like that, though I've probably messed up the terminology horribly.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
You might get more information in the Magic DIR. I can move the thread, if you like.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Speaking as a Wiccan, I've always thought of magic as just magic. I've never felt the need to stick a k onto a word as magic is not related to a specific religion. Many different religions practice magic in varying forms. There is no "Wiccan magic", there are Wiccan beliefs and there is magic that a Wiccan happens to perform. Wicca is a religion, not a type of magic.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
ITA w/ Draka. There's Wiccan worship, and then there's magic. Sometimes they combine the two, but magic is magic is magic.
 

Antibush5

Active Member
Speaking as a Wiccan, I've always thought of magic as just magic. I've never felt the need to stick a k onto a word as magic is not related to a specific religion. Many different religions practice magic in varying forms. There is no "Wiccan magic", there are Wiccan beliefs and there is magic that a Wiccan happens to perform. Wicca is a religion, not a type of magic.
Yes, I know that the two are seperate, but I think Wiccans have distinct rituals that I'm not really a fan of.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Yes, I know that the two are seperate, but I think Wiccans have distinct rituals that I'm not really a fan of.
Yeah, but most of those are primarily worship.

Me, I'm not a fan of ANY ritual magic. I was an energy worker.

What precisely are you looking for in this thread? Instructions, philosophy, method comparison?
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Yes, I know that the two are seperate, but I think Wiccans have distinct rituals that I'm not really a fan of.

What rules would that be? Religious rules? The only main rule in Wicca is to harm none. That includes oneself, so actions done to protect oneself are acceptable. We just don't go out of our way to actually hurt someone on purpose. That is a religious belief. That has nothing to do with magic itself though. Are you not a fan of trying not to harm others or something?
 

Antibush5

Active Member
Yeah, but most of those are primarily worship.

Me, I'm not a fan of ANY ritual magic. I was an energy worker.

What precisely are you looking for in this thread? Instructions, philosophy, method comparison?
All of the above really, philosophy first, instruction and then method comparison, so I know what I need to about the subject.

What rules would that be? Religious rules? The only main rule in Wicca is to harm none. That includes oneself, so actions done to protect oneself are acceptable. We just don't go out of our way to actually hurt someone on purpose. That is a religious belief. That has nothing to do with magic itself though. Are you not a fan of trying not to harm others or something?
my philosophies on violence don't really belong in this thread.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
All of the above really, philosophy first, instruction and then method comparison, so I know what I need to about the subject.

my philosophies on violence don't really belong in this thread.
OK.

I may get some strong disagreement on this, but ritual magic is (imx) dangerously unpredictable. It's predicated on tricking the subconscious into performing the magic without guidance. Sometimes it works, sure. More often, nothing happens at all, beyond warm fuzzy feelings, and on occasion it goes dangerously awry. STAY AWAY!

Beyond that, where would you like me to start? The nature of magic (in my view, of course)?
 

Nisou Kitsune

Resident Anime Freak
I'm fine with the use of blood in religious rituals.

Ah, so you are looking for "that" kind of magick. No wonder you are turned off to Wicca.

Now, as for instructions, how far along are you in your development? You need to build up your energy and/or your ability to sense magick in order to use it.

Philosophy: for me, magick really has no philosophy. There are no rules like in Wicca, except maybe the etiquette, but that is a different issue. There are certain things you do and never do (but this is my opinion as well).

Method comparison, to what? Wiccan philosophy? Magick is magick is magick, no matter what sect or tradition you go to. What varies is how they use it and what restrictions are placed on the caster.

Edit: Storm brings up a good point. Magick is VERY unpredictable, and using straight magick can be pretty darn dangerous, hence the reasons traditions have restrictions in place. The restrictions are there mainly for your own safety.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I'm fine with the use of blood in religious rituals.
Storm's Safety Rule # 2: Never shed blood for magic!
Blood energy is incredibly powerful, which makes it difficult to control. Not to say that the energy itself is off-limits (just not for beginners), but if you can't tap it without a knife, you're not ready to use it. The pain of bloodletting will 'color' that energy, making it all the more torrid, and influencing it to harmful shapings.

Some witches take this to the extreme, advising that males simply forego using it at all, since they don't have the stepping stone of menstrual blood. I don't go that far, but I do reiterate that blood is NOT for amateurs.

:)
 

Antibush5

Active Member
Ah, so you are looking for "that" kind of magick. No wonder you are turned off to Wicca.

Now, as for instructions, how far along are you in your development? You need to build up your energy and/or your ability to sense magick in order to use it.

Philosophy: for me, magick really has no philosophy. There are no rules like in Wicca, except maybe the etiquette, but that is a different issue. There are certain things you do and never do (but this is my opinion as well).

Method comparison, to what? Wiccan philosophy? Magick is magick is magick, no matter what sect or tradition you go to. What varies is how they use it and what restrictions are placed on the caster.

Edit: Storm brings up a good point. Magick is VERY unpredictable, and using straight magick can be pretty darn dangerous, hence the reasons traditions have restrictions in place. The restrictions are there mainly for your own safety.

Well not so much blood based magic in perticular, but learning about it is fine.

OK.

I may get some strong disagreement on this, but ritual magic is (imx) dangerously unpredictable. It's predicated on tricking the subconscious into performing the magic without guidance. Sometimes it works, sure. More often, nothing happens at all, beyond warm fuzzy feelings, and on occasion it goes dangerously awry. STAY AWAY!

Beyond that, where would you like me to start? The nature of magic (in my view, of course)?

Right no ritual magic, please carry on, you could pretty much ramble on about magic and I'd be fine :p
 

Nisou Kitsune

Resident Anime Freak
I do reiterate that blood is NOT for amateurs.

:)

Agreed, blood magick is not for amateurs, and sometimes not even for experienced practitioners.

Personally, I would learn the restrictions that traditions teach and work within those bounds until you have some experience under your belt, and then you can move past those, but only after you know what you are doing.

However, the only way you will surely learn is to do it yourself. I would suggest not diving too deep in the pool just yet, because its hard to get out of that hole if something goes wrong.

Any more questions?
 
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