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Origion question

gtrsgrls

Member
Darkdale said:
I especially like the "Big Bang" something came from nothing argument. lol it's even funnier than the "God did it" argument.
Ha,ha,ha,let me see how long I can continue this fake laugh...not very long.It takes so much more faith to believe that the big-bang occured than it does to believe that God created the earth.With the big bang theory, something came from nothing,with theKnockout God argument,at least something came from something.
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
gtrsgrls said:
That's retarded!Everything has to have had a beggining.Can you tell me who created space?It can't have just appeared there.(like everything else did...sarcasm)

No, everything does not have to have a beginning. Who the hell told you that and why the hell do you believe them?
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
gtrsgrls said:
Ha,ha,ha,let me see how long I can continue this fake laugh...not very long.It takes so much more faith to believe that the big-bang occured than it does to believe that God created the earth.With the big bang theory, something came from nothing,with theKnockout God argument,at least something came from something.

I don't believe that the big band is responsible for the universe. If you can read, then reread my post. ;)
 

may

Well-Known Member
Darkdale said:
The Universe has always existed. It needs no creation or beginning. Energy can neither be created or destroyed.
Jehovah God is dynamic energy
"Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing. ISAIAH 40 ; 26

(Jeremiah 32:17) "Alas, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah! Here you yourself have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm. The whole matter is not too wonderful for you yourself

 

gtrsgrls

Member
Darkdale said:
No, everything does not have to have a beginning. Who the hell told you that and why the hell do you believe them?
Nobody told me that,you have to be raised in a cave to believe that some things don't have begginings.Can you tell me just one thing Darkdale,that doesn't have a beggining?(other that what you've already stated)I look foreword to your answer.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
darkdale said:
There is literally no reason to believe the universe was created.
I guess that's why so many people believe that it was indeed created. There are plenty of reasons to believe it, even if you reject those reasons.
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
gtrsgrls said:
Nobody told me that,you have to be raised in a cave to believe that some things don't have begginings.Can you tell me just one thing Darkdale,that doesn't have a beggining?(other that what you've already stated)I look foreword to your answer.
So if EVERYTHING needs a beginning... and it is "retarded" to think otherwise... Then what was god's beginning? And before god, what was there? And what made god? Why did god come about?
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
gtrsglrs said:
Ha,ha,ha,let me see how long I can continue this fake laugh...not very long.It takes so much more faith to believe that the big-bang occured than it does to believe that God created the earth.With the big bang theory, something came from nothing,with the
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God argument,at least something came from something.
Yes, because there is actually scientific evidence for the big bang theory, yet no scientific evidence for the "god did it" theory. =) And to say something came from nothing in the big bang theory just shows your ignorance... Search the forums for a better explanation of the big bang theory... I wrote a two page description of it somewhere... Not sure where though =)
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Ryan2065 said:
Yes, because there is actually scientific evidence for the big bang theory, yet no scientific evidence for the "god did it" theory.
Science is not the ultimate goal for all humanity (at least not this human), truth is..... as my good friend likes to say: "your results may vary".
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
gtrsgrls said:
Nobody told me that,you have to be raised in a cave to believe that some things don't have begginings.Can you tell me just one thing Darkdale,that doesn't have a beggining?(other that what you've already stated)I look foreword to your answer.

Energy. Matter. Space. Time.
 

Kowalski

Active Member
Merlin said:
You are all assuming time is linear.

What created the beginning of a circle? There is no beginning, and there is no end. If time is not linear, the question does not arise.
There was no time before the Big Bang, it simply didn't exist, as there was nothing before the Expansion phase out of the singularity at the beginning, Time and space are one and same, as the universe expands, so does time flow with the expansion. outwards.

K
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
HLK said:
Recently, someone has told me this online, and I quote:


Now, can someone prove this guy wrong?
Why should the Creator be part of Creation, anyway? Is the Creator not by definition, separate from His work?

The original argument is a fallacy. To be exact it is a non sequitur argument. The conclusion does not logically follw the premise.

Regards,
Scott
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Ryan2065 said:
Yes, because there is actually scientific evidence for the big bang theory, yet no scientific evidence for the "god did it" theory. =) And to say something came from nothing in the big bang theory just shows your ignorance... Search the forums for a better explanation of the big bang theory... I wrote a two page description of it somewhere... Not sure where though =)
Again this is a non sequitur argument. The conclusion does not come from the argument.
The premise makes no allowance for a causative agent. It also does not prove there was no causative agent.

The argument proves in no way that God did not say: "BE!" before the "bang".
The premise makes no attempt to prove or disprove it.

Regards,
Scott
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
Scott1 said:
Science is not the ultimate goal for all humanity (at least not this human), truth is..... as my good friend likes to say: "your results may vary".
Isn't that what science is after as well? The only difference I see is that science asks you to believe based on evidence, religion asks you to believe without evidence....

Popeyesays said:
Again this is a non sequitur argument. The conclusion does not come from the argument.
The premise makes no allowance for a causative agent. It also does not prove there was no causative agent.
Yet there is no evidence to suggest a "causative" agent so to suggest that there was is to be non-scientific.
Popeyesays said:
The argument proves in no way that God did not say: "BE!" before the "bang".
The premise makes no attempt to prove or disprove it.
Actually the evidence points to the idea that no "god" all the sudden just said "BE!" but again, it does not prove it... It just makes it less likely that there was some creator that started the big bang =)
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Ryan2065 said:
Isn't that what science is after as well?
Since when is science a thing "after" something.....???
The only difference I see is that science asks you to believe based on evidence, religion asks you to believe without evidence....
It is not even close to the "only difference", but you seem to think that nature, philosophy, human history, and other aspects of divine revelation are not evidence.... anything that can't be torn down to 2+2 does not exist as evidence in your world, where it does in mine.
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
Scott1 said:
Since when is science a thing "after" something.....???
Everything has a purpose, science's purpose is truth... If the purpose of science was not truth, scientists could lie. =P

Scott1 said:
It is not even close to the "only difference", but you seem to think that nature, philosophy, human history, and other aspects of divine revelation are not evidence.... anything that can't be torn down to 2+2 does not exist as evidence in your world, where it does in mine.
I tend to think of evidence as scientific evidence... So I will rephrase... Science asks you to believe based on scientific evidence (ie things that can be tested) while religion asks you to believe without scientific evidence.
 
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