We are what we eat

krsnaraja · Sep 26, 2011

Mark 7:18 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?
Mark 7:19 (NIV) For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body."

The phrase "we are what we eat" has been nullified by Christ Jesus himself from the above verses.

Gaura Priya · Sep 26, 2011

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I have to ask... what are you smoking?

krsnaraja · Sep 26, 2011

Gaura Priya said:
:tribal2:

I have to ask... what are you smoking?

Krishna said he only accepts a flower, fruit, water & grain. What he really means was that women who wanted to marry him but who can`t offer him anything because they are poor came out with this edict. That if they offer Krishna say water with devotion as a requirement in marriage, Krishna accepts it. That`s how he married 16,108 women at Dwaraka. In Islam its the other way around. In Catholicism, the only requirement in marriage for both couples is love.

krsnaraja · Sep 26, 2011

I`m just starting to feel again my way around here. I`m sorry for deleting my previous post then quoting the reply of Gaura Priya then posting it again the post I deleted.

Storm · Sep 26, 2011

OK. In that case, may I suggest that you edit the op to give us a clue as to what you wish to debate?

Jainarayan · Sep 26, 2011

krsnaraja said:
Krishna said he only accepts a flower, fruit, water & grain. What he really means was that women who wanted to marry him but who can`t offer him anything because they are poor came out with this edict. That if they offer Krishna say water with devotion as a requirement in marriage, Krishna accepts it. That`s how he married 16,108 women at Dwaraka. In Islam its the other way around. In Catholicism, the only requirement in marriage for both couples is love.

I disagree completely. The verse from the Bhagavad Gita 9.26 is

"If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it."

9.27 says "Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away, and whatever austerities you performdo that, O son of Kunti, as an offering to Me."

These verses, and the surrounding verses are about devotion to Lord Krishna, not about what is acceptable to offer.

Please read chapter 9.

krsnaraja · Sep 26, 2011

Storm said:
OK. In that case, may I suggest that you edit the op to give us a clue as to what you wish to debate?

The topic I wish to debate is about what we should & should not eat if we want to evolve spirituality. Religious philosophies like Buddhism or Vaishnavism requires one to abstain from eating meat. But Christianity does not require one in accordance to what I posted as a starter to this thread.

Storm · Sep 26, 2011

I don't believe diet has any relationship to spirituality.

Breathe · Sep 26, 2011

Storm said:
I don't believe diet has any relationship to spirituality.

Nor I.

I can see why some think it, but I don't agree with it.

Madhuri · Sep 26, 2011

TouchedbytheLord said:
I disagree completely. The verse from the Bhagavad Gita 9.26 is

"If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it."

9.27 says "Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away, and whatever austerities you performdo that, O son of Kunti, as an offering to Me."

These verses, and the surrounding verses are about devotion to Lord Krishna, not about what is acceptable to offer.

Please read chapter 9.

Exactly :clap

krsnaraja · Sep 26, 2011

TouchedbytheLord said:
I disagree completely. The verse from the Bhagavad Gita 9.26 is

"If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it."

9.27 says "Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away, and whatever austerities you perform—do that, O son of Kunti, as an offering to Me."

These verses, and the surrounding verses are about devotion to Lord Krishna, not about what is acceptable to offer.

Please read chapter 9.

Krishna after the Battle of Kuruksetra was cursed by Gandhari, the mother of Duryodhna for killing his son. Gandhari was a pure devotee of Lord Vishnu. & Gandhari knew Krishna was Lord Vishnu himself. & why did he not allow Bhisma to kill Arjuna? My point here is that why did Christ Jesus tell his disciples that it was alright to eat meat when Krishna did not allow his devotees to do so? Srila Prabhupad says Christ Jesus is an empowered incarnation of God. In other words, there`s conflicting statements from both Krishna & Christ as to whom one should follow.

Madhuri · Sep 26, 2011

krsnaraja said:
The topic I wish to debate is about what we should & should not eat if we want to evolve spirituality. Religious philosophies like Buddhism or Vaishnavism requires one to abstain from eating meat. But Christianity does not require one in accordance to what I posted as a starter to this thread.

I think that some foods negatively influence the consciousness and some foods carry negative karma. Those things are not beneficial spiritually whereas some foods are spiritually beneficial. All food has effects on the mind and body, so of course food affects your spirituality.

Madhuri · Sep 26, 2011

krsnaraja said:
Krishna after the Battle of Kuruksetra was cursed by Gandhari, the mother of Duryodhna for killing his son. Gandhari was a pure devotee of Lord Vishnu. & Gandhari knew Krishna was Lord Vishnu himself. & why did he not allow Bhisma to kill Arjuna? My point here is that why did Christ Jesus tell his disciples that it was alright to eat meat when Krishna did not allow his devotees to do so? Srila Prabhupad says Christ Jesus is an empowered incarnation of God. In other words, there`s conflicting statements from both Krishna & Christ as to whom one should follow.

Well, Krishna is God according to Prabhupada, and Jesus only an empowered person. I'd listen to God, personally, for the best advise.
Of course, one can eat meat and still advance spiritually. Jesus helped people with his teachings, but it was very simple teachings. Krishna taught much more complex truths.

Gaura Priya · Sep 26, 2011

All Abrahamic religions allow for the consumption of flesh.

All Dharmic religions, save a few sects, see vegetarianism as an extension of compassion. The Hindu Scriptures have stated that women, flesh, and wine are not sins in themselves, there are great rewards to their abstention.

krsnaraja · Sep 26, 2011

Madhuri said:
I think that some foods negatively influence the consciousness and some foods carry negative karma. Those things are not beneficial spiritually whereas some foods are spiritually beneficial. All food has effects on the mind and body, so of course food affects your spirituality.

I practice Catholicism & also do Bhakti by advocating Christ & Krishna`s pastimes. I`m a carnivore & I know what is tamasic & what is sattvic food. Does that make me a better or lesser person than one who is a vegetarian & a devotee of Babaji Mahavatar?

Madhuri · Sep 26, 2011

krsnaraja said:
I practice Catholicism & also do Bhakti by advocating Christ & Krishna`s pastimes. I`m a carnivore & I know what is tamasic & what is sattvic food. Does that make me a better or lesser person than one who is a vegetarian & a devotee of Babaji Mahavatar?

Not a better or worse person for knowing what is sattvic or tamasic. I only think less of a person when they understand the sufferings of animals and simply do not care (like if a person sees the cruelty dealt to an animal in a slaughter house but feels no compassion or empathy).

Eating meat does not make a person good or bad. But I think it will impede a person's spiritual progress karmically.

krsnaraja · Sep 26, 2011

Madhuri said:
Well, Krishna is God according to Prabhupada, and Jesus only an empowered person. I'd listen to God, personally, for the best advise.
Of course, one can eat meat and still advance spiritually. Jesus helped people with his teachings, but it was very simple teachings. Krishna taught much more complex truths.

Balaram is Adi Guru, the original spiritual master. When he died, a white snake ananta shesha came out from his mouth. & later was taken by the ocean. Similarly, in the Old testament, Moses lifted a bronze serpent & said that those who look at it will not be killed by bites of poisonous snakes. Christ Jesus was the serpent Moses referred to. In John 3:14 it says that he who believes the one who was lifted up shall have eternal life.

Jainarayan · Sep 26, 2011

krsnaraja said:
My point here is that why did Christ Jesus tell his disciples that it was alright to eat meat when Krishna did not allow his devotees to do so? Srila Prabhupad says Christ Jesus is an empowered incarnation of God. In other words, there`s conflicting statements from both Krishna & Christ as to whom one should follow.

"Srila Prabhupad says Christ Jesus is an empowered incarnation of God". Krishna IS God if you are Vaishnava. The choice of whom to follow is clear to me.

Madhuri · Sep 26, 2011

krsnaraja said:
Balaram is Adi Guru, the original spiritual master. When he died, a white snake ananta shesha came out from his mouth. & later was taken by the ocean. Similarly, in the Old testament, Moses lifted a bronze serpent & said that those who look at it will not be killed by bites of poisonous snakes. Christ Jesus was the serpent Moses referred to. In John 3:14 it says that he who believes the one who was lifted up shall have eternal life.

I am not a Christian so any reference to the Bible has no influence on my opinion.

Gaura Priya · Sep 26, 2011

krsnaraja said:
I practice Catholicism & also do Bhakti by advocating Christ & Krishna`s pastimes. I`m a carnivore & I know what is tamasic & what is sattvic food. Does that make me a better or lesser person than one who is a vegetarian & a devotee of Babaji Mahavatar?

You do what your can... what your spiritual level and practice will reflect how you feel towards God and others.

If you can not feel inclined towards having a sattvic diet, then try to eat prasadam as much as possible. I know that some devotees can be very harsh in their attitudes towards those who eat meat, but at the same time, Krishna prefers that we practice the ideal of daya, or compassion.

In many religions, eating meat is considered contrary to compassion, such as many vegetarian Christians. You will read in the Bible about the Nazoreans who abstain from certain foods, and Paul himself said that if meat causes his brother to stumble, it would be better to eschew it. The Franciscans and other Christians also advocate vegetarianism as an extension of compassion to all of Jehovah's creation.

If you love Krishna and try to follow Jesus Christ, who is an empowered messenger of Krishna, try to be vegetarian, and if not, eating fish is permissible since Jesus himself ate fish, and the lowest animal life form. Never eat the flesh of a cow though...

"Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat flesh at all, that I may not make my brother stumble."

-- 1 Corinthians 8:13

"Stop tearing down the work of God just for the sake of food. True, all things are clean, but it is injurious to the man who with an occasion for stumbling eats. It is well not to eat flesh or to drink wine or do anything over which your brother stumbles."

Romans 14:20-21

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