Biblical Jesus was NOT Christ

(it's commonly known that Christ followers redefined the Jewish Messiah)

*a resounding duh*

You are wrong. Jesus is the Christ.

Well...okay? Many of us know this already. Was there a particular reason you wanted to discuss this topic?

Tellurian said:

The gospel stories about an alleged Jesus refer to him as "Christ", but those gospel stories clearly indicate that he was NOT a Christ.

The term Christ means "anointed one", which refers to the king of the Jews who is anointed by the priests in the temple when he becomes the king. The biblical Jesus was never anointed as king of the Jews by the priests in the temple, therefore he was never the "Christ".

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Kings were not the only ones who were anointed. Priests were also anointed: Leviticus 8:12 Finally he poured some of the anointing oil upon Aaron’s head and anointed him so as to sanctify him.
Leviticus 21:10 “‘And as for the high priest of his brothers upon whose head the anointing oil would be poured and whose hand was filled with power to wear the garments, he should not let his head go ungroomed, and he should not tear his garments.as were kings and prophets. 1Kings 19:16 And Je′hu the grandson of Nim′shi you should anoint as king over Israel; and E‧li′sha the son of Sha′phat from A′bel-me‧ho′lah you should anoint as prophet in place of you



Jesus was all three of these. Hi anointing as king occured in heaven when the kingdom of God was established. When he first began his ministry, his anointing was one of a prophet:
Luke 4:18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”

So Jesus wasnt anointed to be a king at that time.

Contrary to the depiction given in the New Testament gospels of Matthew and Luke, Jesus was likely not born as the Messiah. He received this title through his initiation by John the Baptist, and so it is not surprising that both Mark and John are conspicuously absent of the virgin-birth mythology, and begin their stories of Jesus' short career with his initiation by John.

Although their version of Jesus' baptism by John describes it as involving submersion under water, the term "baptism" has connotations of "initiation", and Gnostic scriptures indicate that the original rite was performed in conjunction with the kaneh-bosm anointing rite, the annointing taking place either before or after the baptismal ceremony. Some Gnostic texts also specifically state that Jesus recieved the title Christ because of the anointing, not because of a water baptism.

So why is the biblical Jesus called the Christ?

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he was part of a movement in the right time and in the right place, his story grew after death and snowballed.

because he didnt follow tradition and started a new way of worship originating with John the babtist who laid the foundation, he developed a following that looked at him as the "one" despite not following judaism to the T or being the fortold messia of judaism.

The evolution of word meanings always occurs, and different religions also borrow words from each other. However, the essence of any religion is not in its word meanings, but in its power to motivate the religionists to be better citizens of the society, and to live a more spiritually centered lives.

Tonymai said:

The evolution of word meanings always occurs, and different religions also borrow words from each other. However, the essence of any religion is not in its word meanings, but in its power to motivate the religionists to be better citizens of the society, and to live a more spiritually centered lives.

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true frubals for you

Also,unlike the shamanistic priests and kings of earlier generations, Jesus did not follow the strict Old Testament taboos that limited the holy oils use to Yahweh's chosen few (Exodus 30:33), but broke tradition and began to liberally use it in both healing and initiation rites.

Through this open distribution the singular Christ, "the Anointed", was extended to become the plural term "Christians", that is, those who had been smeared or anointed. By rubbing on this divine unction obtained from certain special herbs or plants, they believed they were donning the panoply of God.

NeedingGnosisNow said:

Also,unlike the shamanistic priests and kings of earlier generations, Jesus did not follow the strict Old Testament taboos that limited the holy oils use to Yahweh's chosen few (Exodus 30:33), but broke tradition and began to liberally use it in both healing and initiation rites.

Through this open distribution the singular Christ, "the Anointed", was extended to become the plural term "Christians", that is, those who had been smeared or anointed. By rubbing on this divine unction obtained from certain special herbs or plants, they believed they were donning the panoply of God.

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"Christians" is not plural for "Christ." It's the plural diminutive form "little Christs," originally derogatory term for Christ-followers.

To anoint is to pour or smear with perfumed oil, milk, water, melted butter or other substances, a process employed ritually by many religions. People and things are anointed to symbolize the introduction of a sacramental or divine influence, a holy emanation, spirit, power or god. It can also be seen as a spiritual mode of ridding persons and things of dangerous influences, as of demons (Persian drug, Greek κηρες Keres, Armenian dev) believed to be or to cause disease.
Unction is another term for anointing. The oil may be called chrism.
The word is known in English since c. 1303, deriving from Old French enoint "smeared on", pp. of enoindre "smear on", itself from Latin inunguere, from in- "on" + unguere "to smear." Originally it only referred to grease or oil smeared on for medicinal purposes; its use in the Coverdale Bible in reference to Christ (cf. The Lord's Anointed, see Chrism) has spiritualized the sense of it, a sense expanded and expounded upon by St Paul's writings in his "Epistles". The title Christ is derived from the Hebrew Messiah and means literally; covered in oil, anointed. The term "Christian" is also used adjectivally to describe anything associated with Christianity, or in a proverbial sense "all that is noble, and good, and Christ-like." It is also used as a label to identify people who associate with the cultural aspects of Christianity, irrespective of personal religious beliefs or practices. The Greek word Χριστιανός (christianos)—meaning "follower of Christ"—comes from Χριστός (christos)—meaning "anointed one"—with an adjectival ending borrowed from Latin to denote adhering to, or even belonging to, as in slave ownership. In the Greek Septuagint, christos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed." In other European languages, equivalent words to 'Christian' are likewise derived from the Greek, such as 'Chrétien' in French and 'Cristiano' in Spanish. I found all this online, but I never found where Christian meant "little Christs". I did find this: Christianity: (n.) 1. the bizarre belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever after death, if you symbolically drink his blood, eat his flesh, and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a woman who was created from a man's rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat an apple from a forbidden magical tree. 2. the belief that a human sacrifice thousands of years ago in Palistine somehow vicariously redeems us from sin. --paraphrased from Christopher Hitchens

Christian: manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ. Here may be a better definition for you. But if that is what a Christian is, then I've never met one.

NeedingGnosisNow said:

Christian: manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ. Here may be a better definition for you. But if that is what a Christian is, then I've never met one.

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Neither have I.

That's the point of a derrogative term. It's an insult that took on new meaning -- the insult almost instantly became a badge of honor, and then the process of God-knows-what - turned the term into some theological mumbo-jumbo that we see above.

angellous_evangellous said:

Neither have I.

That's the point of a derrogative term. It's an insult that took on new meaning -- the insult almost instantly became a badge of honor, and then the process of God-knows-what - turned the term into some theological mumbo-jumbo that we see above.

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Mumbo-jumbo...

I thought that was a dance involving large, Caribbean women...

Pegg said:

Kings were not the only ones who were anointed. Priests were also anointed: Leviticus 8:12 Finally he poured some of the anointing oil upon Aaron’s head and anointed him so as to sanctify him.
Leviticus 21:10 “‘And as for the high priest of his brothers upon whose head the anointing oil would be poured and whose hand was filled with power to wear the garments, he should not let his head go ungroomed, and he should not tear his garments.as were kings and prophets. 1Kings 19:16 And Je′hu the grandson of Nim′shi you should anoint as king over Israel; and E‧li′sha the son of Sha′phat from A′bel-me‧ho′lah you should anoint as prophet in place of you



Jesus was all three of these. Hi anointing as king occured in heaven when the kingdom of God was established. When he first began his ministry, his anointing was one of a prophet:
Luke 4:18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”

So Jesus wasnt anointed to be a king at that time.

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I thought you would have used John 12:3 to show that if nothing else at least his feet were "Christ":

"Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment".

Dena said:

Well...okay? Many of us know this already. Was there a particular reason you wanted to discuss this topic?

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He just wants to start trouble.

You are wrong. Jesus is the Christ.

IsmailaGodHasHeard said:

You are wrong. Jesus is the Christ.

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The original post gives weight to their argument. Care to offer your own?

If you research the topic you will actually find that the title"Christ" is derived from a much older word. The Mediterranean word Crestius is used to describe one who takes control over credit for or corrupts an already established idea or movement. This is why Jesus was described as the Christ.