Melody said:
im staying with strictly biblical sources; and actually, i had referenced the extermination of six ethnicities which are supported by bible-based christians
I believe I listed many more cases of genocide by non-Christians
and why have you done this? youre arguing against a case that i didnt make; and youve failed to define what a christian is, despite my previous requests; seems simply avoidant to me; my honest guess is that you dont actually know what a christian is
and oh, btw....Moses and Joshua were not Christians.
actually moses and joshua prophesied of a coming christ; and were directed by the christian god to perform mass genocide; and christ reinforced the veracity of the scriptures of moses; yours is a common misconception
Please list the "christian genocides" you mentioned earlier.
i had referenced three, but you had failed to acknowledge them; thats on you; youre not satisfied with what constitutes a christian, after your christian judgments, remember?
Hitler being raised catholic does not mean he was either catholic and/or a christian.
according to your projected christian judgments, but not according to the catholic church; you dont get to decide for people who is a christian and who is not; the catholic church acknowledges hitler to be a christian on the basis of his christian baptism; why wouldnt hitler be a true christian? he was very pro-genocide as bible-based christians are; are you simply harboring your own pre-concieved definition of christianity which youve failed to share or support?
His behavior would suggest he was neither.
how so? christians are pro-genocide in the biblical context
Weak link to "christian" genocide.
in your perspective; perhaps you simply turn a blind eye to the catholic church's stance that hitler was a christian on the basis of his catholic baptism
You don't like that my numbers
which specific numbers are you referring to?; i find it rather crass to evaluate the degree of the expendability of human life with numerical comparisons, as youve ventured to present
and yet you're using the same argument for why "christian" genocide is somehow more?
i have never referenced that christian genocide is more than nonchristian genocide; youre simply misrepresenting me in the absence of direct quotations after the fashion of your own dualistic pretexts; i'll ask you again: where have i stated this? up to this point, youre only placing your own pretextual twist on my statements, in the absence of direct quotations, to argue against a case that i was never making; youre arguing against a belief that i dont even hold; go back and reread the texts
you just seem confused over what we're arguing at this point; why would i be concerned about nonchristian genocides in the first place?
The listing of other genocides was to show that christians do not have a monopoly on it
so? i never asserted that they did; why would you argue a case which is totally irrelevant to this thread?; rather, christians have a monopoly on bible-based hellfire and brimstone judgments, while simultaneously having a biblical history of mass genocide; now read that statement carefully, and dont project; further, please remember that you are unqualified in your judgments to decide who is a christian or not, even though you seem to be fond of making those judgments on others
and, while religion may have played a part in the ones I mentioned,
moreso the core motivating factor after their judgmental god concepts
they weren't about christian's murdering people over religion.
which means that youve simply veered away from my original arguments, in the absence of direct quotations on the matter
If you come up with some substantial debate material,
unfortunately, youre simply trying to coax me into debate about a belief that i do not even hold; youve veered away from my original statements and are attempting to debate against a position that ive not even made; and youve veered away from defining what a christian is, despite my previous requests
I'd be happy to continue the debate,
at this point, were not even in alignment about what were debating; youve wildly veered into the topic of nonchristian genocide, when i had made no comparative reference to it in the first place
but it appears you're playing around with doublespeak
seems more like youve interpreted my statements after your own dualistic pretexts; afterwhich you began arguing againt a case which i never held or presented in the first place; thats what can happen when you yourself present a case without the contextual provision of original quotes
and contributing no new material so
actually, i had provided new material, but you did not acknowledge it; thats two very different things; and youve failed to actually define what a christian is, as per my previous requests
lolol, okay run; have it your way; running from the material, i see; and avoidant of defining what a christian is; honestly, if you wish to debate a topic, its ideal that you first come into agreement with what that topic is; as it is, youve simply attempted to argue agaisnt a case that i didnt make, nor do i even believe in; this is a common misrepresentation tactic by many psuedo-debaters, and simply strikes me as heady; youre better off discussing the issues at hand, instead of making up your own; i can see how it may be easy for you to rely upon your knowledge base, to reinforce your sense of debate security; but its moreso ideal to focus on the actual statements said in the context of the thread, versus simply placing your own dualistic pretexts them upon them, as youve done; practically, youve only debated against a ghost that youve created in your imagination at this point
