Steven Hawking warns not to talk to aliens

Orias · Aug 3, 2011

PolyHedral said:
You cannot break the laws of physics. Physics indicate that the universe is 4D ATM.

Physics is ignorant to the Universe, it proves nothing besides "generally accepted" and theory. There are but few laws that can describe the Universe, there isn't One that can describe our thought process, which is part of the Universe.

Of course I agree with the proposals and suggestions it provides about dark matter/energy.

Orias · Aug 3, 2011

idea said:
they might get infected with some disease... or end up with a bunch of dependents leaching off of them for the rest of their lives

I think we would be more likely to break trust, that seems to be an issue even among ourselves :yes:

logician · Aug 16, 2011

idea said:
not "generally" accepted "yet" ...

but there is sure a lot of stuff that points towards it!

Five-dimensional space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Whether or not the real universe in which we live is somehow five-dimensional is a topic that is debated and explored in several branches of physics, including astrophysics and particle physics."

In string theory there are 11 dimensions, most undetectable.

Guitar's Cry · Aug 16, 2011

Orias said:
I think we would be more likely to break trust, that seems to be an issue even among ourselves :yes:

Woe to the alien planets that make contact with us if we manage interstellar travel...

I see Hawking's point of view, but it seems that laying low while advancing our space technology would be a bit difficult. It may be that communication would be our only hope in preventing war. We've had a violent history, but one thing we've learned is that was happens whether there's communication or not, but at least communication has a chance of yielding understanding.

After all, shutting down our radio signals at this point seems near impossible.

logician · Aug 16, 2011

Of course, there may be no intellgient aliens to communicate with. We need to prove this theory first by detecting intelligent alien signals.

outhouse · Aug 16, 2011

After all, shutting down our radio signals at this point seems near impossible.

it has no bearing on the subject really. They have gone such a short distance away from us its a non issue

a example would be if a stepped one foot out the door on the way to New York from Ca and stopped there, and thats giving you 11 inches for error on my part.

outhouse · Aug 16, 2011

logician said:
Of course, there may be no intellgient aliens to communicate with. We need to prove this theory first by detecting intelligent alien signals.

It cannot be proven unless they wanted it that way. We are way to primitive.

to much distance for our primitive knowledge and science at this point in time.

The proper method would be to assume we are not alone. Our only way to ensure survival as a species is to figure how to live self sufficient in space. After a million years or less im sure we would evolve to our new enviroment like any other living life form.

the only different between aliens and us is time, in the future we could be the aliens.

I dont believe crackpots ect ect but I dont disbelieve all those that claim to have seen things they cannot understand

averageJOE · Aug 17, 2011

outhouse said:
I dont believe crackpots ect ect but I dont disbelieve all those that claim to have seen things they cannot understand

How do you determine the difference between a "crackpot" and one's who claim to have seen theings they cannot undestand?

Me Myself · Aug 17, 2011

If aliens would treat us the way we treat animals ("because animals are dumb and we are smart, there lives ae not important!" ) I would be with Hawkings on that...

Just because they can travel gazillions times light doesn´t mean they´ll have a heart.

And what we hear of alien abductions isn´t exactly comforting on the subject...

Kathryn · Aug 17, 2011

I'm really worried about these aliens...and I've got my BigFoot trap rigged up out in the woods too.

I'm going chupacabra hunting this weekend.

I'll let you guys know if I bag anything.

logician · Aug 17, 2011

WE should as a species attempt to colonize the galaxy, as this our only sure way of surviving long term. Our space program should set up a colony on the moon to begin with as "practice", and as a launching point for further colonization on Mars, and moons of the other solar planets, and eventually, other star systems.

gnostic · Aug 17, 2011

Wonderful. Just brilliant. A sci-fi debate.

Personally, I am not a fan of Hawking. That he is genius, it is evident. But this is purely sci-fi speculation, not science.

outhouse · Aug 17, 2011

averageJOE said:
How do you determine the difference between a "crackpot" and one's who claim to have seen theings they cannot undestand?

airline pilots for one are not crackpots.

a guy out hittin the weed while drinking with is buddies would not be a credible witness.

I guy taking/faking pictures for money wouldnot be a credible witness

do I really need to do this?

outhouse · Aug 17, 2011

gnostic said:
Wonderful. Just brilliant. A sci-fi debate.

Personally, I am not a fan of Hawking. That he is genius, it is evident. But this is purely sci-fi speculation, not science.

and I agree

outhouse · Aug 17, 2011

logician said:
WE should as a species attempt to colonize the galaxy, as this our only sure way of surviving long term. Our space program should set up a colony on the moon to begin with as "practice", and as a launching point for further colonization on Mars, and moons of the other solar planets, and eventually, other star systems.

that I agree with.

being trapped on the earth will eventually leed to exinction.

We cannot be the first to have come to this conclusion that the planet is not a long term enviroment for any species.

logician · Aug 17, 2011

outhouse said:
that I agree with.

being trapped on the earth will eventually leed to exinction.

We cannot be the first to have come to this conclusion that the planet is not a long term enviroment for any species.

Not to mention the tremendous amount of knowledge to be gained from the supersized
telescopes and radio dish scopes that could be built in low gravity enviroments.

outhouse · Aug 17, 2011

logician said:
Not to mention the tremendous amount of knowledge to be gained from the supersized
telescopes and radio dish scopes that could be built in low gravity enviroments.

just being self sufficient in space will also leed to major evolutionary changes.

It would have to also "HELP" leed to the elimination of error on humans part. In space one would not survive living like tha barbaric savages some still are. Governement as we know it would not exist, It could not without complete failure.

otokage007 · Aug 17, 2011

outhouse said:
that I agree with.

being trapped on the earth will eventually leed to exinction.

We cannot be the first to have come to this conclusion that the planet is not a long term enviroment for any species.

That depends on how efficient is the technology for resource extraction that the specie has.

I don't think leaving the planet is the only option.

outhouse · Aug 17, 2011

otokage007 said:
That depends on how efficient is the technology for resource extraction that the specie has.

I don't think leaving the planet is the only option.

here what you need to consider.

space is a stable enviroment

the earth is not, this means leaving the earth is the only long term option.

There are so many implications once one makes the jump, its mind boggling.

as the earths enviroment becomes to hostile to sustain a good life, it could be mined for resources in its decline before as a group we made the complete seperation.

sniper762 · Aug 17, 2011

the only reason that its stable is because of the non-existence of man.

that will change once we inhabitit it.

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