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Keeping the Sabbath Day Holy

james2ko

Well-Known Member
my point is why do you abide by one mosaic law, but not others?

The dietary laws were in effect way back in Noah's day (Gen 7:2-3) and probably in Abraham's time (Gen 26:5). They were later included as part of the civil statutes, which as I mentioned previously, Christians (spiritual Israel) should still, in principle, abide by today.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
Try 1st Cor. 8v8

Check the context. It's referring to foods offered to idols--not a license to eat anything.

Acts 10 vs12-15 Peter was told in vision what God has cleansed to stop calling as defiled.

Let's put this in its proper context. Notice how Peter replied:

Act 10:14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean."​

Peter was well aware of the law of clean and unclean meats.

Christ replied:

"Act 10:15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common."​

Notice what Peter concluded about the vision:

Act 10:28 Then he said to them, "You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man[not beast] common or unclean.​

Peter now realizes the vision had nothing to do with eating anything unclean or common but everything to do with God breaking down the barrier between Jew and Gentile and making salvation available to all! For the clincher, Peter retells the story of his vision to the apostles and the brethren in the very next chapter vs 1. And what did the rest of the apostles and brethren think of Peter's story----that God has lifted restrictions on what they can and cannot eat? A resounding no!...here's what they concluded:

Acts 11;18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life."​
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Isn't according to Romans [14v17] that the kingdom of God does Not mean eating and drinking....?

1st Corinthians [8v8] says food will Not commend us to God.
If we eat we do Not fall short
If we do not eat we still have no credit to oneself.

Hebrews [13v9] do eatables benefit or profit anyone?

Colossians [2v16] says to let No man judge you in eating......
 

Flat Earth Kyle

Well-Known Member
So umm... the sabbath day... I think that the majority of Christians out there don't keep it holy. I was just at a baptist church the other day and right after church the pastor was on his way over to Chiles for some dinner with a bunch of his friends.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
So umm... the sabbath day... I think that the majority of Christians out there don't keep it holy. I was just at a baptist church the other day and right after church the pastor was on his way over to Chiles for some dinner with a bunch of his friends.

Why do you feel going out to eat on the sabbath with church friends would constitute breaking it?
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
Isn't according to Romans [14v17] that the kingdom of God does Not mean eating and drinking....?

1. Again, context is key. The whole chapter is a lesson to those strong in the faith (Rom. 15:1) not to offend one who is weak in the faith (14:1), especially by eating or drinking anything that would trouble the weak brother's conscience. Such a brother might be a vegetarian or one who abstains from drinking wine (vs. 2, 21).

It could also be a reference to those described in I Corinthians 8:10. There, some were upset by seeing fellow Christians eating in an idol’s temple, and presumed that what was being eaten had been offered to idols. That chapter similarly warns the "strong" not to cause the "weak" to stumble as a result of the liberty the "strong" enjoy because of knowledge they possess (vs. 1-4, 7, 11). In both cases, the subject has absolutely nothing to do with the distinction between clean and unclean meat as outlined in Lev 11 and Deut 14.

Furthermore, if Rom 14:17 were giving Christians (ambassadors for the coming kingdom of God) a license to eat whatever they want, it would contradict scripture because in Isa 66:13, God threatens to consume those in the kingdom who go after idols, eat swine flesh, and rats!!!

1st Corinthians [8v8] says food will Not commend us to God.

2. Paul devoted the entire 8th and 10th chapters of 1 Corinthians to instructions on not raising the questions of meats offered to idols.

1Co 10:28 But if anyone says to you, "This was offered to idols," do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience' sake; for "the earth is the Lord's and all its fullness"​

Some of the pagan deities were offered bullocks, sheep, goats, chickens, doves, and other clean animals, the remainder of which would be offered for sale in the market. His main subject is not clean and unclean, but being sensitive to a brother's conscience. In other words, if clean meats offered to idols were not polluted, you could eat of them unless it offended someone. Under those circumstances the meat became common, not to you, but to the other person who raised the question about idols. Notice:

1Co 10:29 It might not be a matter of conscience for you, but it is for the other person.) For why should my freedom be limited by what someone else thinks?

Hebrews [13v9] do eatables benefit or profit anyone?

The next few verses tell us the "rules about food" [eatables] that do not benefit or profit anyone have to do with those foods involved with the OT sacrifices (which, btw, were all clean):

Heb 13:10-11 We have an altar from which the priests in the Tabernacle have no right to eat. 11 Under the old system, the high priest brought the blood of animals into the Holy Place as a sacrifice for sin, and the bodies of the animals were burned outside the camp.​

3. Paul refers to the ritual observances, the ceremonies, of the Old Covenant, as "clean" food was involved with them. But over the years, people came to have a superstitious attitude toward such things-that if, for instance, they ate of something that had been offered in sacrifice, it would impart to them some spiritual strength. Eating food with this mentality benefits and profits no one. Again, nothing to do with a license to eat whatever we want.

Colossians [2v16] says to let No man judge you in eating......

Perhaps you missed point 3 here
 

Flat Earth Kyle

Well-Known Member
If no one shopped on the Sabbath, no one would work on the Sabbath. Shopping on the Sabbath is condoning working on the Sabbath.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
The sabbath can be Saturday or Sunday depending upon one's belief. I don' think secular society should observe the Sabbath by closing stores, etc. because many people don't believe keeping the "Sabbath" holy.
 

Shermana

Heretic
Does anyone disagree that Isaiah 66 takes place after the Moshiach comes and is still in effect?

The eaters of flesh of swine will be left to die. That's not judging anyone, that's just pointing out scripture.
 
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