Many Sages One Truth
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It doesn't say that in any clear way, because it doesn't say what about it is Pagan. That there are gay Jews makes it obvious it's not Pagan, so what about it is it condemning as Pagan?
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What exactly does the Bible say and what doesn't it say about Homosexuality?
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It doesn't say that in any clear way, because it doesn't say what about it is Pagan. That there are gay Jews makes it obvious it's not Pagan, so what about it is it condemning as Pagan?
I think you inferred that here? Sorry if I'm mis-quoting you.
Many Sages One Truth
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I am saying that the authors must have been condemning some element of homosexuality as practiced among Pagans rather then condemning homosexuality in general. I don't think the authors could even have envisioned a loving homosexual couple.
What I find interesting about that verse is that is says God makes someone have these sort of desires and in the context indicates that it would have been someone who rejects god even though they know he exists.
In the context of the verse in Leviticus 18 it is condemning a whole list of sexual abominations including sex with relatives, beastiality and homosexuality.
I remember reading some articles some time ago that seemed to indicate that this was the case regarding Paul's condemnation in Romans and Corinthians. I think in the Corinthian case there was a temple to Aphrodite? near Corinth that included many activities that by prudish eyes would have been considered at best promiscuous. Some of the condemnation was also aimed I think at prostitution (particularly of boys), whether ritualized at temple, or established via human-trafficking (I think that it is in Galatians that there is some list of those not going to heaven which included something about the slave trade, but I am not completely sure).
Regardless, the Romans verse seems more to me to be the result of God, not necessarily a choice by men. Doesn't the verse say something to the effect of 'God gave them over to' those things that Paul then ******* about?
Me Myself
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I find it curious that bible doesn´t condemn pedophilia anywhere...
You could be right. It depends on whether you believe it to be God's word. If it's God's word it condemns ALL homosexuality until you can prove otherwise. If you don't then it's just the authors own opinion on homosexuality.
Leviticus contains a list of sexual acts including homosexuality that applies to men, then it prohibits men from beastiality, then it prohibits women from beastiality. Since the passage only calls out women for beastiality sound logic says that this passage doesn't prohibit lesbianism.
Me Myself
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Of course it doesn´t, it is the less prohibitable of all sexual acts including heterosexuality. They are not getting pregnant and they have the least chance of venerous disease.
But most important of all, they are eye candy
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That is curious.
Of course they wouldn't want to do that with their multiple wives and all.Of course it doesn´t, it is the less prohibitable of all sexual acts including heterosexuality. They are not getting pregnant and they have the least chance of venerous disease.
But most important of all, they are eye candy
otokage007
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TheKnight
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Even among Orthodox Jews, it is accepted that there is no outright Biblical prohibition of lesbianism. It is prohibited by Rabbinic decree.
Phew, then I'm not doomed yet, with guys I do it from behind.
lol xD. The funny thing is that I'm not even sure men can do it in that way xD
Blackdog22
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I think when it says when, a man lies with another man, it is pretty to the point.
If it was for some sort of pagan ritual then surely God could of been more accurate and said, "don't have sex with men while burning the flesh of children", or something.
Either way, this verse has been used for centuries too promote the murder of homosexuals. Surely a God could of seen the implications and altered or specified what he meant yes? If he was too lazy to do that then its just as bad as him condemning them, because that is what happened, they were condemned.
Many Sages One Truth
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So you don't think the Bible is somehow related to the culture it was written in? It must be the entirely literal and inerrant "word of God", even though things in it can't be relevant to now?