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Ralph Griffith

Again, great. But there's plenty of free books and articles about the Vedas themselves from various people.

What about the Vedas themselves?

What do you think about H. H. Wilson? He seems legit in his work which is based on Saayan.

Namas Te - All of Rig Veda Samhita

Use the links I provided to help you even more. There is mentioning of cows getting stolen and then recovered later on by Indra who uses Sarama. There are other many battles but all this has a deeper understanding to it. Read the "Secret of Vedas" to help extract that meaning.
 
Right and it also talks about villages that existed when the Ganges currently flows. That is, over time, its flow changed and consumed those villages. And they have found such villages.

The ending of Indus Valley and the Saraswati civilization was due to the constant floods and drought in the Indus area and the drying up of the Saraswati river. This had caused a massive emigration of the habitants to safer and interior areas of the Indian subcontinent and even towards the west.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
What do you think about H. H. Wilson? He seems legit in his work which is based on Saayan.

Namas Te - All of Rig Veda Samhita

It's okay, though it lacks any real poetic flair. It's incredibly dry. The constant parenthesis are also very annoying.

Use the links I provided to help you even more. There is mentioning of cows getting stolen and then recovered later on by Indra who uses Sarama. There are other many battles but all this has a deeper understanding to it. Read the "Secret of Vedas" to help extract that meaning.

I think extracting the meaning of the Vedas is a lifetime pursuit. I appreciate the direction; I'll certainly check those books out. Just understand that I've also been looking into others; I intend to get the book "The Vedic Experience" one of these days.

I just want to be able to read the Vedas themselves to see for myself what's contained in them.
 
It's okay, though it lacks any real poetic flair. It's incredibly dry. The constant parenthesis are also very annoying.



I think extracting the meaning of the Vedas is a lifetime pursuit. I appreciate the direction; I'll certainly check those books out. Just understand that I've also been looking into others; I intend to get the book "The Vedic Experience" one of these days.

I just want to be able to read the Vedas themselves to see for myself what's contained in them.

Thanks for telling me about "Vedic Experience". It is available here. The Vedic Experience by Professor Raimon Panikkar ( Veda and vedas)

Will read it myself.
 

kaisersose

Active Member
I don't consider them to be different. They are all valid to me from a spiritual angle. I am more inclined towards Advaita because this is what at the current moment I understand the best for the level of my consciousness. But that does not mean others are wrong. Rig Veda says "EKAM SAD VIPRA BAHUDA VADATI". I consider all those translations to be valid and an attempt to interpret the cosmic reality, which is infinite. All these interpretation are like infinite possibilities on a continuum for describing the reality and at the same time are mutually inclusive.

This line of thinking puts you in a position where you cannot disagree with any interpretation of the Veda - including Mueller's and Grifith's.
 

kaisersose

Active Member
Rig Veda talks about Saraswati River which dried up in ~2500- 3500 BC, puts Rig Veda more than 6000 years back.

Isolated references are not sufficient to analyze the age of the Veda. The above claim disagrees with other forms of evidence obtained by philology, archaeology, etc. Also, if the evidence is so compelling, why has the the academic date of the Rig Veda not been revised till now? I hope you will not fall back on conspiracy theories.

Mueller intent was not purely clean in translating the VEDAS. When the foundation of thoughts was at fault, how can you use their corrupt translations. They came up with a myth called Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) so that Hindus living in India start considering them outsiders and barbaric hordes. They just did not want anything valuable to be indigenous to India and wanted themselves to be considered more supreme.

Lots of problems here.

1. How do you know Mueller's intent? Please do not post internet copies of "letters" allegedly written by Mueller.

2. Aryan Invasion theory was not a myth. Sufficient justification was provided for that claim such as abrupt abandonment of cities, etc. Your position is insulting to academia to think they would allow baseless theories to prevail for 200 years. If you have evidence that the theory was pulled out of someone's hat with no logical basis, please demonstrate.

3. I fail to see how AIT makes Indians think they are outsiders and barbaric hordes? You are contradicting yourself by saying the Aryans were barbarians and yet they produced something valuable. Again, if you have evidence that there was such an intent behind the Aryan theory, please produce it.

Science says man originated in Africa and spread to the rest of the world. Does that make people in other continents feel like outsiders or somehow lesser than Africans?

AIT was a racist and political propaganda started by European scholars and Christian missionaries like Max Mueller and others. It was based on invalid reasoning with no evidence to support it. AND, the recent evidence suggests that there was no Aryan race and the Rig Veda is indigenous to India based on archaeological evidence, textual evidence, and astronomical dating of Vedas.

Please produce evidence. FYI, books written by nationalist Hindus like Rajaram (an engineer), Talageri (an electrician), Frawley (Chinese medicine expert) et al., does not become evidence. If you have something concrete to backup these allegations, I will be happy to hear them. Else, this just becomes more nationalistic propoganda with no factual basis - driven mostly be emotions - that can be found abundantly on the internet.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Bumpity bump.

Still no actual criticism of Griffith's translation other than vague accusations of being "untrustworthy."
 
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